Who is that?
The only person in this discussion, so far, who is showing reticence to moving forward with a safety net for all, in the best interest of all because of what may or may not have happened in the past is... well... you.
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The only person in this discussion, so far, who is showing reticence to moving forward with a safety net for all, in the best interest of all because of what may or may not have happened in the past is... well... you.
Toffeeslam
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Thing is the more bad press he gets (and it’s warranted) the more entrenched his supporters will become in backing him to the hilt for a second term.
DanEFC92
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Sod it. They’ll follow him regardless like the lemmings they are.
It’s either that or not reporting on the bad stuff, which blatantly isn’t an option.
I'm not sure I agree with "in the best interests of all." But my point was, as I suspect you know, that those most loudly advocating for government-led health coverage for all in the United States put very little effort into explaining how it could be done efficiently, justly and competently.
Ideally, for me, yes. But I'm not wasting energy in unraveling entrenched policies in this country. It's why I'm not a very good libertarian.
And I think we're jumping the gun. There is the question of whether or not the federal government is the best/only entity equipped to address income inequality. But before that, there is the question of whether income inequality in America is something that needs addressing. We could discuss the former for sport, but it will be tainted by my doubts on the latter.
You're underestimating the number of people pushed to Trump by skewed media and radicalism on the left. Which is fine by me, of course, as I'd prefer the establishment left keep getting it handed to them. But if you think everyone who will vote for Trump in 2 years is going to be some rally-attending Trump loyalist, you're mistaken, and that belief is probably going to undermine your ideological goals.
DanEFC92
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Thing is though, calling Trump up on basically anything (and most of it is deserved, not a day goes by where he doesn't make some absurd remark or gaff or impeachable offence) gets called 'radical left' and the like by his supporters and/or enablers.
Trump does something (you'd like to think, objectively) bad - report comes out on bad thing - Fake News response/"See this is why Trump will win 2020".
You do know that a lot of his votes came from people who disliked Clinton especially from the undecided and the left.
There are quite a lot of conservatives that voted independent or didn't vote because of Trump. Or simply wanted to give him a chance because again it was better than Clinton
Not to mention the ones who wanted to stick it to the democratic party for the treatment of Sanders.
The right and well i guess you seem to think that the the democrats are basically handing it to him which really is not true.
Since the election more democrats and progressives have taken smaller elections and positions across the majority of states and i bet the right will lose some seats these coming.
Its a fox news/right wing narrative that he will have the whole base and it will be easy for him in 2020.
But of course polling is fake as is the media and the democrats are evil and can't be trusted. So we will never know and will have to wait and see i guess.
Ok, like I said, good luck with that.
DanEFC92
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Boss.
1) I don't think it'll be "easy." I think he could definitely lose in 2020. Especially if the Democrats run a relatable candidate who is a bad matchup for Trump.
2) I agree, a lot of non-Trumpers voted Trump because of Hillary and because they feel their hand is being forced by the powers that be. There is a disconnect. That might be media apologizing for ANTIFA setting cop cars on fire, or a political environment that pretends the women's marches are necessitated by some Handmaid's Tale world Trump is creating or something similarly bizarre. What the middle 50% of the country feels and what the 25% on the left tell them they should feel just aren't that well aligned. I think the same can probably be said for the 25% on the right, to some extent.
3) Trump, his clownish antics and all, is talented in getting the left to move further to the left than is politically useful to them. Kneejerk reactions favoring sanctuary cities and seemingly condoning illegal immigration probably isn't helpful. Coming out and trashing bonuses from companies after the tax break probably isn't a wise move. Trump is for the anthem, so the left is for kneeling during it, etc.
4) I think the right stands to lose ground in the midterms, as you infer. But that may or may not mean anything for 2020.
I wouldn’t worry about 2020, he’ll be primaried after the results of the midterms and the Mueller report.
4. Losing ground in the midterms most certainly will go against him. There will be and has to be a turning point for the rest of the GOP. They will only follow him as far as they can get something from it. The minute they lose ground to the left his support will become weaker in 2020.
3. Really you think that has motivated the right? None of what the media said interests his supporters really because like i have said before he has convinced them not to listen at all. I am not sure what you have even mentioned matters. The football kneel will pass by 2020 and with all of the clowns distractions i doubt his base keep up as to what the left says or the perceived left by your standards.
With regards to your point number 1 when you say things like this - "I'd prefer the establishment left keep getting it handed to them" - you are sort of implying it will be easy for him. Your words not mine. But i get you the left need to definitely step up with a decent opponent. I agree on that part.
I am not touching 2 its a hornets nest of part fact, part alternative fact and smacks of a biased opinion from the right or a partisan issue as you told me a few pages ago.
So we will have to agree to disagree on that point.
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