Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[ToffeeDan]

At least I don't have to post Neil Young's "Alabama" this morning.

Shocking number still voted for a buntyman though.

Each to their own eh?

 

[Charlie Sweet]

That's Alabama.

Isn't it a state where you can still get married at 14?!?!

 

[Tubey]

Bloody hell.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Can we all take a moment to say **** you Roy Moore.

**** you and the horse you rode in on.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Surely this was a no win situation for Trump. This could well be considered a blessing in disguise for him rather than having Moore hanging around like a bad smell. Plus it would have put several members of the GOP in an awkward place ...

I’d agree, if he hadn’t gone all in with Moore.

If Trump has just kept his mouth shut and taken the loss then it could theoretically be a bullet dodged... but he couldn’t even do that right.

 

[Blue 1]

Each to their own eh?

Huh? Even if it's voting for a nonce?

 

[abelard]

I’d agree, if he hadn’t gone all in with Moore.

If Trump has just kept his mouth shut and taken the loss then it could theoretically be a bullet dodged... but he couldn’t even do that right.

Inevitably...

Republican knives out for Bannon too - they've been sharpening those for a while.

I wonder if Trump will turn on Bannon too, perhaps in a fit of pique? He is no doubt incredibly angry and above all confused just now.

So very confused.


What to do about the Trumplings is quite a delicate problem... not exactly the glorious leader's specialty.

The trouble for the Republicans is that they can't win with cretins like ^this^, but they also can't win without them.

Much hinges on the Democrats too - they will also determine whether or not this is merely their Scott Brown - a complete one-off, like that time we lost to Tranmere - or the basis of something transformative and sustainable. The election revealed that they are still comically underprepared to contest elections in red states (themselves woefully incapable of and disinterested in observing modern democratic standards), and at the local and state level. Without Roy Moore as an exceedingly unusual push factor, they'd have been wiped out as per usual.

The result last night came from grassroots organization and mobilization independent of, if not in spite of, the Party itself.

Virtually nobody has actually seen the DNC budget, but apparently the majority of it was devoted to approx. just 5-7 individual DC consulting firms - leaving many of the state parties in 2016 with just a few thousand dollars each to content with. In hindsight, it will grow clearer that the destruction of the Democratic Party structure is one of Obama's enduring legacies, certainly directly responsible for the 2016 result. Under his management, the state parties were reduced to perfunctory shells, and the national party little more than a glorified slush fund for pre-coronated presidential appointees to indulge in.

Until this changes, any reaction against Trump will only be temporary.

Alabama shows what could potentially emerge IF the Party bothers to build and sustain an actual grassroots organization - but probably they will draw the wrong lessons and resort as usual to basing entire campaigns on sanctimony, cheap culture-war virtue-signalling, and, absent any sort of positive message, the rousing refrain that 'but they are even worse!!' Rallying around a woman who functions as an entirely poll-driven stimulus-response mechnicanism, who has never yet encountered a principle she wasn't delighted to discard, and whose sole relevance is that the President was mean to her on Twitter, would be a sure sign in this direction.

As it stands, without Donald Trump, the Democrats still have absolutely nothing to say to people.

The demand for a constructive politics is obviously there, but it is not at all clear that the Party even understands this, led alone wants to or is capable of fulfilling it.

On the other hand, if I was Ted Cruz, I'd be just wee bit anxious.

 

[Eggs]

Can we all take a moment to say **** you Roy Moore.

**** you and the horse you rode in on.

...the BBC correspondence said a Republican candidate normally ‘only needs a pulse’ to be elected in Alabama.

 

[Ruairi77]

Inevitably...

Republican knives out for Bannon too - they've been sharpening those for a while.

I wonder if Trump will turn on Bannon too, perhaps in a fit of pique? He is no doubt incredibly angry and above all confused just now.

So very confused.


What to do about the Trumplings is quite a delicate problem... not exactly the glorious leader's specialty.

The trouble for the Republicans is that they can't win with cretins like ^this^, but they also can't win without them.

Much hinges on the Democrats too - they will also determine whether or not this is merely their Scott Brown - a complete one-off, like that time we lost to Tranmere - or the basis of something transformative and sustainable. The election revealed that they are still comically underprepared to contest elections in red states (themselves woefully incapable of and disinterested in observing modern democratic standards), and at the local and state level. Without Roy Moore as an exceedingly unusual push factor, they'd have been wiped out as per usual.

The result last night came from grassroots organization and mobilization independent of, if not in spite of, the Party itself.

Virtually nobody has actually seen the DNC budget, but apparently the majority of it was devoted to approx. just 5-7 individual DC consulting firms - leaving many of the state parties in 2016 with just a few thousand dollars each to content with. In hindsight, it will grow clearer that the destruction of the Democratic Party structure is one of Obama's enduring legacies, certainly directly responsible for the 2016 result. Under his management, the state parties were reduced to perfunctory shells, and the national party little more than a glorified slush fund for pre-coronated presidential appointees to indulge in.

Until this changes, any reaction against Trump will only be temporary.

Alabama shows what could potentially emerge IF the Party bothers to build and sustain an actual grassroots organization - but probably they will draw the wrong lessons and resort as usual to basing entire campaigns on sanctimony, cheap culture-war virtue-signalling, and, absent any sort of positive message, the rousing refrain that 'but they are even worse!!' Rallying around a woman who functions as an entirely poll-driven stimulus-response mechnicanism, who has never yet encountered a principle she wasn't delighted to discard, and whose sole relevance is that the President was mean to her on Twitter, would be a sure sign in this direction.

As it stands, without Donald Trump, the Democrats still have absolutely nothing to say to people.

The demand for a constructive politics is obviously there, but it is not at all clear that the Party even understands this, led alone wants to or is capable of fulfilling it.

On the other hand, if I was Ted Cruz, I'd be just wee bit anxious.

You're badly misjudging Gillibrand there.

 

[Khalekan]

Have I missed sommat here?

Bannon left his job earlier this year to return to Brietbart, did he not?

General Kelly pushed him out, I thought.

So how come he is still apparently at the centre of the Trump junta?

 

[Huyton Layne]

Big news being made of the difference in the races voting but it’s alabama ffs, it’s expected. The thing that’s newsworthy for me is who are these black people voting for Roy Moore? A man who said he’d like to undo their right to vote besides, you know, the touching kids thing.

 

[Ruairi77]

Have I missed sommat here?

Bannon left his job earlier this year to return to Brietbart, did he not?

General Kelly pushed him out, I thought.

So how come he is still apparently at the centre of the Trump junta?

After being pushed out by Kelly he went to Alabama to help (in what capacity, I'm not sure) Roy Moore. This meant Moore got all the far right Breitbart coverage that was afforded to Trump before. Kinda like a Breitbart endorsement. Bannon was an ever present with Moore on the campaign trail. In the primaries, Trump sided with the establishment republican while Bannon Championed Moore.
There's now a civil war between establishment republicans and Bannon republicans, Trump is trying badly to keep one foot in each camp

 

[Khalekan]

After being pushed out by Kelly he went to Alabama to help (in what capacity, I'm not sure) Roy Moore. This meant Moore got all the far right Breitbart coverage that was afforded to Trump before. Kinda like a Breitbart endorsement. Bannon was an ever present with Moore on the campaign trail. In the primaries, Trump sided with the establishment republican while Bannon Championed Moore.
There's now a civil war between establishment republicans and Bannon republicans, Trump is trying badly to keep one foot in each camp

Cheers, Ruari

 

[Khalekan]

Does anyone think this is actually a good result for the GOP, if not for Trump, in the long run?

Might Judge Roy Moore have been so poisonous for their image in DC over the next year that the Mid Terms could have been a disaster for them come next Fall?

 

[SteveSC]

Big news being made of the difference in the races voting but it’s alabama ffs, it’s expected. The thing that’s newsworthy for me is who are these black people voting for Roy Moore? A man who said he’d like to undo their right to vote besides, you know, the touching kids thing.

I think this is more about the race thing that people seemed to ignore and think he lost based purely on the allegations of touching underage girls.

For a long time Republicans have in Alabama tried to suppress black and latin voters.

And now you have a candidate who openly admits it and who says racist crap all of the time.

I think a call to arms by the black community to rid themselves of this joke of a man won here.

I am ashamed at the whites in that state though. Except the small percentage who used common sense

This could be significant going forward.

Sessions won by 97% of the vote a few years back as any democrat that comes along gets demolished. If they can harness minorities and the blacks and work with them and somehow change some minds it could work.

Now hopefully Jones doesn't flip like previous democrats in Alabama. Not that there have been many at all haha!!