Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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abelard
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impeachment is a political and not a legal process. it is much, much more likely to result from things like the Virginia election than from Trump or his posse's behaviour
Is there a point you're trying to make about all this @mezzrow? Thanks again in advance for not being cryptic.
The only reason anybody has ever even heard of Ann Althouse is because she thought it sage to accuse the woman in grey here of dressing like a whore to bait Bill Clinton.
The utter hussy! Get thee immediately to a nunnery/niqab dealer, Jessica! Restrain thy dirtypillows! Mine eyes! Blinded, by such prurient protuberance! You've made poor Rod Dreher again have to energetically beat his errant boner back into obedience with a hardcover copy of The Benedict Option!
So it stands to reason the fourteen-year-old must have been asking for it too. This would, after all, represent Ann's "Can we at least agree — as an abstract principle — that the standard should be the same for everyone who is accused?" test.
And I suppose - given that she's accused the entire "left" of responsibility for enabling Weinstein et al because we all, each one of us, systematically and conspiratorially downplayed all sexual harassment by anyone anywhere simply to save Bill Clinton - that she and her conservative friends are merely observing that same "standard for everyone who is accused" by frantically sweeping the Roy Moore allegations under the carpet and attempting to character-assassinate his victims?
Or she just confuses contrarianism for wisdom? (like a certain other resurrected poster on here)
Obvious to everyone else, of course, Roy Moore is being covered in the media "by the same standard for everyone who is accused" also applied to Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton, John Edwards et al, which by Ann's own logic invalidates everything she has to say in desperately attempting to exonerate Roy Moore.
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abelard
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http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/roy-moore-sexual-predator/
"Here’s what I don’t get: the eagerness of so many conservatives at this point to double down on defending Moore — this, versus the “wait and see” stance. We already know that credible allegations of sexual predation don’t matter to most Republican voters. In order to believe that Moore is not guilty of something serious in this matter, you have to believe that four women are lying, as well as people those women told at the time what had happened. You have to believe that the woman making the worst allegations — on the record, by the way — is out to get Roy Moore, even though she was a Trump voter in 2016. Again, none of this proves anything, but if Alabama Republican voters put Roy Moore in office, and the Senate seats him, it’s going to be a massacre for Republicans on Election Day 2018.
But: if Moore is elected and the Senate refuses to seat him, think about how vicious the Trumpist base will be in seeking retribution. The White House has called on Moore to step aside if the allegations are true. Alabama voters didn’t listen to Trump during the primary, choosing Moore over the candidate Trump endorsed. So we’ll see.
I think Mitch McConnell must have one of the world’s worst job.
Look, if you’re the kind of person who doesn’t care if the accusations against Roy Moore are true, that all that matters is defeating the Democrat, then you have allowed tribalism to destroy your moral sense. That’s not something you can recover from easily."
"Here’s what I don’t get: the eagerness of so many conservatives at this point to double down on defending Moore — this, versus the “wait and see” stance. We already know that credible allegations of sexual predation don’t matter to most Republican voters. In order to believe that Moore is not guilty of something serious in this matter, you have to believe that four women are lying, as well as people those women told at the time what had happened. You have to believe that the woman making the worst allegations — on the record, by the way — is out to get Roy Moore, even though she was a Trump voter in 2016. Again, none of this proves anything, but if Alabama Republican voters put Roy Moore in office, and the Senate seats him, it’s going to be a massacre for Republicans on Election Day 2018.
But: if Moore is elected and the Senate refuses to seat him, think about how vicious the Trumpist base will be in seeking retribution. The White House has called on Moore to step aside if the allegations are true. Alabama voters didn’t listen to Trump during the primary, choosing Moore over the candidate Trump endorsed. So we’ll see.
I think Mitch McConnell must have one of the world’s worst job.
Look, if you’re the kind of person who doesn’t care if the accusations against Roy Moore are true, that all that matters is defeating the Democrat, then you have allowed tribalism to destroy your moral sense. That’s not something you can recover from easily."
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I disagree (about what impeachment likely to result from) - selling out someone who may be a US asset, for personal gain, to someone who is by any definition an Islamist dictator is indefensible even to the pro-Trump loon element and (most importantly) is admirably non-partisan (as opposed to something that the Democrats have been pushing like Russia). If they were looking for an issue to bin him off without damage to themselves, this is it.
Faced with a broad revolt against the common-sense liberal worldview, panicked American elites are prophesying an apocalyptic, totalitarian future for the Republic. And when it comes to “doing politics,” liberals seem keen to double down on what worked in the past.
I have noticed that a kind of sickly grey hope hangs around most people’s hottest anti-Trump vitriol, lingering like stale morning breath: a hope that once everything is sorted—all the disinformation exposed, all the dossiers verified, all the tax returns audited, and all the President’s men jailed—the “adults” will wrest back control of politics, and things can get back more or less to the way they were before. Established, institutionalized parties representing well-defined and time-tested electoral coalitions will once again vie for the affections of so-called “independent” voters, whose demands define a sensible middle ground where the parties are compelled to make concessions to common sense. We will still have disagreements about important issues, my friends might say to me—issues like abortion, taxes, trade, and immigration will of course remain divisive. Banishing Trump does not mean the end of politics: after all, we remain a deeply polarized country. But the bigger frame of the debates will no longer come into question. Our values, to which Trump personally and Trumpism more broadly is such an affront, will no longer be up for debate.
Maybe.
But ten months into Year Zero of Trump’s first term, Trumpism has, if anything, strengthened its hold on the Republican Party. The press rapturously praised the recent remonstrations of Senators Corker and Flake, but without noting that their fine words largely fell on deaf ears among their constituents, and were rendered less than cheap by their decision to avoid discovering the true price in the upcoming elections. Whoever follows Trump on the Right almost certainly will not be a #NeverTrumper. Rather, it will probably be someone like Senator Tom Cotton, a man who has clearly read the mood of Republican voters and is willing to meet them more than halfway on most issues.
The nostalgics could still be proven right by the Democrats, who could conceivably field a slate of broadly “centrist” candidates of the old mold in the upcoming midterms. But early indicators suggest that the Left too has little appetite for anything like it. Ezra Klein, founder of the influential Lefty-millennial online publication Vox, was recently boosting the fortunes of a young Muslim candidate for Governor in Michigan: “Obama-like biography and political style paired with Sanders-like policy ideas sounds like the fusion the Democratic Party is searching for.”
It seems to me that it’s precisely the old framing—Krastev’s “liberal consensus”—that’s done for. Gone with it is any certainty about free trade and immigration, as well as any certainty surrounding the so-called liberal international order. As Nils Gilman astutely noted two days ago in these pages, what Trump has done is vastly expand the realm of what is politically possible (and permissible) in the United States. Arguably, he has done so across the existing political spectrum, not just on the Right.
For someone who had previously bought into that liberal consensus, these are disorienting times, to be sure.
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/11/01/the-end-of-liberalism/
Look, if you’re the kind of person who doesn’t care if the accusations against Roy Moore are true, that all that matters is defeating the Democrat, then you have allowed tribalism to destroy your moral sense. That’s not something you can recover from easily."
Agreed. It makes the statement no less true to change the party designation to Republican.
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Y'know it's really effing disturbing when the POTUS believes Putin and calls the American Intelligence community political hacks.
It's very unsettling.
Putin has 1 goal and 1 goal alone...ending sanctions.
It's very unsettling.
Putin has 1 goal and 1 goal alone...ending sanctions.
abelard
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Well, obviously, but what's with that bizarre Althouse post? Roy Moore is not being treated any differently than anyone else I mentioned - Clinton, Weiner, Spitzer, Edwards... and rather more leniently than Weinstein and Louie CK, for whom us libs are somehow responsible and hypocritical even though they lost their jobs and reputations immediately - unlike Roy Moore or the sitting President.
She's essentially insinuating (lacking the courage of her convictions to be forthright) that because the Washington Post doesn't like the GOP, they may somehow have conspired to arrange for four different women whose stories are all extensively corroborated to have lied in order to smear Roy Moore - and that the fact the WP took steps to verify everything and ensure they weren't libeling him somehow only adds to the conspiracy? It's patently ridiculous.
As for the imminent death of centrist liberalism, it's instructive that he wrote the piece a week before Virginia. Of course the northern Virginia suburbs are not something states like Ohio and Wisconsin have, and even Hillary had won there. But still, the GOP managed to turnout the Trump base en masse - Gillespie won more votes than the sitting Dem Governor - and was nonetheless utterly slaughtered because the Dems also turned out their much bigger base en masse against Trump. Down ballot, top-ranking GOP ogres were trounced by transgender women and self-proclaimed socialists.
The gerrymandering did its job, and so the Dems' 9 point victory resulted in only a 50-50 split in the Virginia house. But this is why Republicans, who, without Hillary to kick around anymore, can't win with or without Trump supporters, are so worried. The Dems have their internal schisms too, but as Virginia shows, the spectre of Trump goes a long way to soothing them and keeping them in house.
Instead of a transformative figure, Trump could well be a national Prop. 187 moment, as the defeated Virginia Bernie bro who campaigned tirelessly for two-time Bush II voter Ralph Northam observed.
Gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and legalized bribery often misleads Republicans into thinking they're the equals if not the betters of the Democrats. But the Dems' base is objectively much larger than the Republicans' base, which is old, white, and rapidly dying due to complications from adult-onset diabetes. The right would do well to remember that it has not been able to win fair elections for some time.
And if, as Virginia suggests, the Dems stop gifting Obama's massive administrative uselessness to the GOP and actually start taking statehouses seriously, even the gerrymandering can no longer be assured in many places.
This is still speculative, and of course, as HL Mencken writes, "nobody has ever gone broke overestimating the vulgarity of the American people"... but I wouldn't be quite so confident if I were you.
Or, the WaPo can simply pass through oppo research from people they've known for years, providing the needed microphone for preventing the progress of troglodytes like Roy Moore. I concede that Moore is, indeed, a troglodyte. I tend to believe the women, but what I believe doesn't matter.
The newspaper didn't have to arrange or fact check anything - that's a red herring. This was professional party work putting this together and choosing the time and manner of its release. They print it because nobody IMPORTANT (and that includes Donald J. Trump) will call them on it and demand proof beyond the word of four people. Trump's not inside their tent, so he's not important. He's just a clown and an enemy. Trump may be POTUS, but the damage can be minimized by a combined effort of people of good will of both parties. It's all part of making this a better world. It's what they've always done.
Would they do the same if the party affiliations were reversed? I guess that's what FOX and talk radio are for, but you can't take anything they say seriously, can you?
The truth dies in darkness.
This probably doesn't matter, but I can't help but mention that my grandmother was from Alabama, and was married at age fourteen. My mother was born when her mother was seventeen, and she was her second child. My mother's birth was about sixty-five years before the events we are currently reviewing.
Wow.
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Depends on what you would rather have. Someone trying to get China and Russia to put the squeeze on North Korea to eliminate their nuclear aspirations, or absolute proof that somehow Russia managed to sway the American electorate to vote in someone you don’t like.........
peteblue
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Do you really, truly, believe that Putin only has one goal........
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