Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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I can't be arsed reading back. But I will say that if Tucker Carlson is a source of 'news' for you...you need to find better sources. He's a cog in the propaganda machine...and isn't very good at it.

I'll sum him up he thinks we are unfair to trump
That liberals only dislike fox because we have blinkers on and fox is decent and the other sides news shows blah blah blah you know the usual fake news talk....
Although he has no access to fox he still agrees alot of what Tucker Carlson says.
the travel ban isn't a muslim ban
Trump has done the same amount as the last presidents although he only cites Obama with any fact.
But he is not arsed about us politics because he lives in Australia he just thinks we are unfair to trump and thinks for all his faults is doing decent and again are unfair on him
 
If...and I do mean if...the travel ban was about security, then surely Saudi Arabia and Egpyt would have ranked 1 and 2?

It's not, lets be honest. I can't think of a single terrorist incident where the perpetrators weren't known to authorities before hand, but they weren't followed up on, or the dots weren't joined.

It's the same with most populism at the moment, the answer is right there in terms of better management/governance, but that's neither sexy or tub thumping enough when compared with blaming foreigners. What's more, as it's mostly incumbents that blame the foreigners, it absolves them of any responsibility in the mismanagement currently underway.
 
Regarding the media, there are a number of 'fact checking' services out there now, and as you can expect, most of these have compared media outlets for their reliability.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...hecking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/

"Each of the news networks that we routinely follow -- ABC, CBS, Fox, MSNBC and CNN -- has a scorecard that breaks down that network’s performance on the Truth-O-Meter. The scorecard tallies each statement we fact-check on that network and groups the rulings by percentage.

What does that mean?

Right now, you can look at the MSNBC file, which also includes NBC, and see how that network’s pundits and on-air talent stand. For instance, currently 45 percent of the claims we’ve checked from NBC and MSNBC pundits and on-air personalities have been rated Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire.

At Fox and Fox News Channel, that same number is now 58 percent. At CNN, it’s 22 percent."

Now of course, having 1/5 stories containing an error isn't very good from CNN and they should be doing better, but when Fox are churning out erroneous information in 3/5 stories, that's pretty darn appalling.
 
exactly and they would have to consider the holland, the uk and ireland seen as a lot of the European based terrorists have been in, lived in or worked in these too.


Maybe...but if logic and facts were actually used to support their weird agenda...perhaps it would make a fragment of sense that logical people could make sense of.

We are not far from Spain right now. Everything is so divisive. Logic is gone.

The Divider in Chief is at the front.

The right wing media in this country has been fanning flames for about 20 years. This is the product of the Rush Limbaugh's of the world being given a voice. He is a danger to this country but is loved by millions.

He doesn't actually believe in Democracy...he believes that a conservative autocracy is the ideal America.

Meh...I could go on and on about the right and their obvious efforts to divide us.

*waits for replies from right wingers with 'but Obama this and Hillary that'. *sighs
 
I'll sum him up he thinks we are unfair to trump
That liberals only dislike fox because we have blinkers on and fox is decent and the other sides news shows blah blah blah you know the usual fake news talk....
Although he has no access to fox he still agrees alot of what Tucker Carlson says.
the travel ban isn't a muslim ban
Trump has done the same amount as the last presidents although he only cites Obama with any fact.
But he is not arsed about us politics because he lives in Australia he just thinks we are unfair to trump and thinks for all his faults is doing decent and again are unfair on him

Just because I like Tucker Carlson doesn't mean I agree eith everything he says.

Another asusmption. Almost every post you make is full of them.

I'm still waiting on the link for the ratings too ? Or was that another assumption without facts.

I've never said anywhere I agree with everything Trump does/says etc. But I'm also not so blinded to think he won't achieve some success during his term.

Where have I said anything about fake news ? Everyone news outlet, media etc has an agenda. Fox is to support Trump, the rest to hold him to account. I get it. But it doesn't mean the rest are without fault.

All I'm saying is be equally fair/critical to all.
 
All I'm saying is be equally fair/critical to all.

Okay then. Lets do that. We've established above that Fox post misinformation more often than not (and substantially more than other media outlets), and the same was also found to be the case when comparing what Trump said with what Clinton said. So yes, lets start being fair/critical based upon facts, shall we, because nearly 70% of what the man said during his campaign was at a minimum 'mostly false'. That's misleading on a Stasi level.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

Compare the Truth-O-Meter scorecards of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

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Hillary Clinton
Democrat from New York

Clinton's statements by ruling
Click on the ruling to see all of Clinton's statements for that ruling.

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Donald Trump
Republican from New York

Trump's statements by ruling
Click on the ruling to see all of Trump's statements for that ruling.

 
Just because I like Tucker Carlson doesn't mean I agree eith everything he says.

Another asusmption. Almost every post you make is full of them.

I'm still waiting on the link for the ratings too ? Or was that another assumption without facts.

I've never said anywhere I agree with everything Trump does/says etc. But I'm also not so blinded to think he won't achieve some success during his term.

no no they are not.... the old trick of picking a word and pushing it on someone to suit the matter of you being right and me wrong. You have done enough posting for me to garner an informed opinion

You are embarrassing yourself.

You said you liked Tucker Carlson that's enough for anyone who know how much bs he spouts to know how you inform yourself.

No assumptions necessary. I read what you said and used your words to surmise how i see who you are politics wise.

As for news stories do your own research its out there if you look beyond the fact you think the left is't is news is fake and fox is on par with them or is it i cannot decide because you like fox but sit on the fence and pretend you don't just to say centrist.

Again no assumptions i am basing this on all of the rhetoric you have posted.

No, you never said everything, but you made audacious claims that he has done well and we should listen to him but not once have you addressed any of the concerns of the people who disagree with him. You change tact or try throw it back with the right leaning - what about obama or hilary logic. None of us are blind either if that's what you want to go with. Just about everyone here against trump has cited many forms of media to gain an informed opinion and so far you just sound like someone who watches fox or right leaning media. Yes ok that may be an assumption but i would think an accurate one.


That's the thing fox shouldn't be for trump. News agencies should report the news not pick sides the very fact you cannot see that says everything

All news agencies lie from time to time but none are as divisive as fox or right leaning as in mainstream that is. Have you ever watched CNN, MSNBC, NBC or any of the main channels in the US or are you basing well they are the same because Trump and the right tell you that.


Look you can continue to repeat yourself or try to say i am making assumptions all you want but you have given no real facts other than your opinion and when pushed you belittle the debate and offer nothing so i say goodnight and go and enjoy Carlson next hate speech on you tube

4 years a member of the forum nothing about everton and you decide to pick debates on a trump thread in the last week or a quick quip on climate change also says it all really
 
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some CIA capers from the JFK files
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112987.pdf
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planning to destroy the Cuban harvest on the off chance a rebellion against Castro might ensue:
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Actually, we've known about most of this for some time:
"Other documents confirm some of the sillier pieces of the plot, including the CIA's infamous plans to use absurd devices, such as exploding cigars, to kill Castro. The newly released papers include reports detailing plots to use a poisoned wetsuit and an exploding seashell to murder him and describe the CIA's willingness to collaborate with the Mob to oust the Communist leader."

They also tried to poison Castro so his beard would fall out, and had the US Navy flash searchlights over the coast, hoping that Cubans would interpret the beams as signals from God to rise up and overthrow him.

This is just the colourful stuff. Castro's intelligence chief Fabian Escalante claims over 630 attempts to assassinate Fidel. If at first you don't succeed... And for decades, the US routinely bombed and strafed the Cuban coast, conspired to blow up tourist hotels and passenger planes, harboured the perpetrators - all of which were the most decisive factor in provoking the Cuban Missile Crisis.

something something about "she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy"...
 
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