Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Good grief, perhaps he was always this way and I just didn't notice it in comparison to the more outrageous Fox hosts but Brit Hume is just a partisan hack at this point. Dismiss the seriousness by saying not used often/none classified/records still kept fine but to claim Kushner didn't know that private email shouldn't be used is pathetic.
 
The regressive left has its own share of bad logic. Apparently if you don't kneel during the anthem and you're white, then you are standing for white supremacy...or something like that.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...them-are-standing_us_59c8acbbe4b0f2df5e83afcd

What daft logic that is right? So what about the black players who stood? They even use a picture of the Redskins and there are 4 black players kneeling and 4 standing. What a tool this guy is.

Ridiculous. The huffpost trying to be edgy with their opinion pieces again.

I wish they would get on board with some of the other leftist media adopt an approach like MSNBC and invite the other side be it hosts and guests to have their say.

Like Linkerslegs said they don't need to mimic the right wing idiots.
 
Found this a thought provoking article from the other side of the aisle than I am politically. (It is quite long so didn't include all but rest here http://www.weeklystandard.com/its-trump-vs.-the-nfl-and-were-all-losers/article/2009805)
Some assorted thoughts on Trump versus the NFL:

(1) Why are the players protesting? Police brutality? To bring attention to Black Lives Matter? Trump? Institutional racism? Capitalism? Ask 10 different NFL players and you'll probably get 5 different answers. More confusing still: When should the protests be over? Once you start protesting open-ended societal problems there’s no obvious endpoint. The criminal justice system isn’t going to be perfected tomorrow, or next week, or by the time today’s NFL rookies retire. And even if we did fix the justice system, there would be other large-scale societal woes. Why not protest income inequality? Or the disparate racial impacts of abortion? Protests ought to be organized with bright-line goals and natural endpoints. Otherwise kneeling for the national anthem becomes like wearing pink to “raise awareness” about breast cancer: It goes on for forever (and loses meaning over time).

(2) That said, there are non-crazy reasons why NFL players might protest on the broader subject of police misconduct, which is where this story kind-of, sort-of began. The current unrest began with the Ferguson shooting of Michael Brown, but that case was always an imperfect cause celebre: Brown wasn't an innocent bystander, and it wasn’t clear that the police acted poorly. But even as the Ferguson story was unfolding there plenty of other examples of police behaving badly. The Eric Garner story sure as hell should have freaked out anyone in the country who worries about having a police force that is (a) empowered to kill for almost no reason; and (b) is not held to a reasonable degree of accountability by the other pillar of the criminal justice system.

(3) Anyone who looks around the country and believes that black folks don't have a totally different experience with the police than white folks is simply kidding himself. There are probably a hundred reasons for this, including: the proliferation of handguns (I say this as a factual matter, not a moral judgment), usage of illegal drugs, and actuarial facts about violence. Racism may have a little to do with it (as Freddie Gray’s death suggests) or a lot (as the Colin Kaepernicks of the world would suggest). But the fraught nature of interactions between police and black people is a basic fact of life and you can't even begin to engage with the questions at hand if you don’t understand that it is a real thing.

(4) Conservatives have a blind spot for the police for reasons that are mystifying. Conservatives, after all, are hugely distrustful of government authority. Someone from the IRS or the EPA bosses citizens around and deprives them of their property and conservatives freak out. But call that agent of the government a cop, give him a gun, the authority to kill, and a public sector union devoted to ensuring he faces zero accountability? Suddenly only racial agitators and liberal namby-pambies question his actions.

(7) Yet in an important sense, none of this argument is really about police misconduct, per se. It’s about the institutional response to police misconduct. Think about the Catholic Church’s priest-abuse scandal. The scandal wasn’t that there was a small number of priests who abused their charges. This sort of evil behavior has happened for centuries and will continue to happen for centuries more because people are fallible, all people, even priests. No, the “scandal” was that the bishops observed this evil behavior and then tried to cover it up.

The same is true for police misconduct. If police officers who acted badly faced criminal consequences for their behavior most of the time, then I suspect that society would not get so upset about incidents of misconduct. It would be much easier to accept the few-bad-apples explanation and move on about our lives accepting that the benefits of police outweigh the costs.

1. Kaepernick started with the kneeling to start the conversation about obvious race issues here that people weren't talking about. Feigning confusion necessarily implies those protesting don't know why they are - no consensus is required. Protests might stop when people feel their voice is being heard or when change happens. They may never stop - only people who would ask this question are uncomfortable about the protest.

2. Disregard. The first sentence means if you don't agree with the protests, it's because the protesters are crazy.

3. Ah, black folks are used to it. Why are they getting rowdy now? We all liked it better when they didn't videotape us or complain.

4. What's mystifying? The police have typically been the strong arm of the establishment, which ain't black. I have never been pulled over because I'm white. I've never been hassled by the police because I'm white.

7. Cart before horse. After the fact reaction is never more important than prevention. What would you rather have - a cop behind bars for an unjustified shooting or no cop behind bars because nobody got shot?

Honestly.
 
1. Kaepernick started with the kneeling to start the conversation about obvious race issues here that people weren't talking about. Feigning confusion necessarily implies those protesting don't know why they are - no consensus is required. Protests might stop when people feel their voice is being heard or when change happens. They may never stop - only people who would ask this question are uncomfortable about the protest.

2. Disregard. The first sentence means if you don't agree with the protests, it's because the protesters are crazy.

3. Ah, black folks are used to it. Why are they getting rowdy now? We all liked it better when they didn't videotape us or complain.

4. What's mystifying? The police have typically been the strong arm of the establishment, which ain't black. I have never been pulled over because I'm white. I've never been hassled by the police because I'm white.

7. Cart before horse. After the fact reaction is never more important than prevention. What would you rather have - a cop behind bars for an unjustified shooting or no cop behind bars because nobody got shot?

Honestly.
1 & 2) I agree the author is feigning confusion on why the protests started, as I speculated above I did wonder how much of that was to make it a palatable intro to his audience.

3) Didn't get that vibe myself - I found that the Weekly Standard acknowledging so unambiguously that African Americans did have a completely different experience with the police than white Americans (even if there was then minimization on how much was racial bias) a sign of some progress as often when I've read conservative publications they have dismissed the concept entirely. Similarly I though bringing up both the Eric Garner and Freddy Gray useful as cases that anyone with any intellectual honesty can't dismiss.

4) Fair point

7) Agree that prevention is more important and as @verreauxi pointed out training/screening is a big issue missing. However I do think the focus on lack of convictions is a good way to point out just how systematic, engrained and concerning the bias and injustice is, particularly to an audience that claims to value those concepts.

And if you can get someone to embrace the thought that the current court system does not treat African Americans fairly in this subject then that surely lowers the bar to expanding that belief to the inequities that are experienced in other areas such as bail/procecution for minor offences/poor representation etc
 
A bit of an aside this, but had a conversation earlier with a guy claiming Trump got Kapernick thrown out of the 49ers for his protesting. Now I'm in full agreement that Mr President is a lunatic and clearly only in the job for his own banter purposes, but I'm finding it extremely funny how so many Brits think they are now US political experts.

There are a number of reasons why Kapernick is no longer in the NFL. But Trump definitely ain't one, and I'm thinking a quick look at his Passer rating might give it away lol
 
A bit of an aside this, but had a conversation earlier with a guy claiming Trump got Kapernick thrown out of the 49ers for his protesting. Now I'm in full agreement that Mr President is a lunatic and clearly only in the job for his own banter purposes, but I'm finding it extremely funny how so many Brits think they are now US political experts.

There are a number of reasons why Kapernick is no longer in the NFL. But Trump definitely ain't one, and I'm thinking a quick look at his Passer rating might give it away lol
 
There was me thinking that Trump backing Strange was a mistake because he couldn't be bothered looking into the race too deeply and is now embarrassed that he lost but apparently Trump is always playing 8th dimensional chess that us mere mortals can't understand
 
A bit of an aside this, but had a conversation earlier with a guy claiming Trump got Kapernick thrown out of the 49ers for his protesting. Now I'm in full agreement that Mr President is a lunatic and clearly only in the job for his own banter purposes, but I'm finding it extremely funny how so many Brits think they are now US political experts.

There are a number of reasons why Kapernick is no longer in the NFL. But Trump definitely ain't one, and I'm thinking a quick look at his Passer rating might give it away lol


Kaeperknick was not thrown out of the 49ers though. He opted out of his remaining contract.

He was clearly mistreated, even though playing 12 games in his final season.

Now GM John Lynch did say to the press that they would have probably released him anyway but still he was not thrown out. That is a big misconception.

He was not happy there and they were not happy with him but he was not fired. They were simply not going to offer an extension of his contract which he then opted out of which he was allowed to do coming into his last year.
 
There was me thinking that Trump backing Strange was a mistake because he couldn't be bothered looking into the race too deeply and is now embarrassed that he lost but apparently Trump is always playing 8th dimensional chess that us mere mortals can't understand



I was listening to several media outlets this morning and that seems to be the general consensus. He simply picked the wrong guy to back, despite his closest allies (like Bannon) backing Moore. He may have tweeted to soon without checking which guy was the right man.

Even his rally for him was odd. He admitted then he may have made a mistake and supported both of them.

That and Bannon told a room of moor supporters that trump had his back.

It seems like he simply got confused and like you said didn't do enough research.

Which actually is a sad indictment of his administration that they didn't research or help him. They are a joke.
 
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