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Bigger picture Pete. Bigger picture.

The picture you either don't see, or flatly refuse to see.

I hate seeing statues of genuine historical figures, not tyrants or nutters, being torn down for politically correct reasons tbh....we had the same debate in the U.K. when some student wanted to remove a bust of Rhodes, fortunately it failed.....
 
may have been mentioned already... but one thing that struck me in the midst of this train wreck of a press conference, was that Trump has yet to talk to the family of Heather Heyer.

Although in the press conference he did say that the mother reached out to him with a nice message of support which i bet will be debunked.
 
I hate seeing statues of genuine historical figures, not tyrants or nutters, being torn down for politically correct reasons tbh....we had the same debate in the U.K. when some student wanted to remove a bust of Rhodes, fortunately it failed.....
Hilter and Stalin are genuine historical figures. Regardless of them being tyrants.

Lee fought for the right to OWN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. I can't see how that can be taken any other way other than how it is.

It isn't like Lee was a rank and file just following orders. He was a General.
 
You have completely missed the argument. The statues of General Robert E. Lee are symbolic and really don't have a place in today's world.

TBH (and not to agree with Pete) this is a bit of a daft argument. The Confederacy was indefensible, but Lee himself seems to have been a decent sort and if you accept that the many Confederate dead do deserve some form of commemoration, then Lee is probably the best person (or certainly the least contentious) by which to remember them by. To tear his statue down because of the side he fought for, or worse still because of the cretins it attracts nowadays, is a pretty big admission of how much your historical education has failed.
 
You have completely missed the argument. The statues of General Robert E. Lee are symbolic and really don't have a place in today's world.

Why? He was one of your greatest generals. OK he was on the wrong side, but what if he'd won. The symbolism attributed by today's intelligentsia to yesterday's heroes is just that, today's view, that doesn't mean it's right. I would defend a statue of Rommel as a military man......
 
TBH (and not to agree with Pete) this is a bit of a daft argument. The Confederacy was indefensible, but Lee himself seems to have been a decent sort and if you accept that the many Confederate dead do deserve some form of commemoration, then Lee is probably the best person (or certainly the least contentious) by which to remember them by. To tear his statue down because of the side he fought for, or worse still because of the cretins it attracts nowadays, is a pretty big admission of how much your historical education has failed.

It's OK to agree with me every now and again. Obviously I don't want you to make a habit of it.......
 
Hilter and Stalin are genuine historical figures. Regardless of them being tyrants.

Lee fought for the right to OWN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. I can't see how that can be taken any other way other than how it is.

It isn't like Lee was a rank and file just following orders. He was a General.

That isn't what Lee fought for, though it was what the side he fought for wanted. Lee fought for the Confederacy because Virginia had seceded; if they hadn't he almost certainly have stayed in the US Army, and fought on the right side.
 
Tbf, it's quite a decent list, but I am still at a loss as to why a a statue of Lee has to be pulled down to assist these civil liberties.....
It is only 6 months, I am sure that he will try to add to it as his term continues.

I'd say the fact that this statue caused hundreds of Nazi's to march in the streets was a pretty potent demonstration of their influence over people's views on civil liberties.

You seem to be portraying that those that object to the removal of these statues are lovers of history and just want to preserve it - do you really think the same guys who rallied this week would travel to protest if Touro synagogue (a century older than the civil war) was slated for removal?

As I said many of these monuments were erected in the Jim Crow era, it it hard to believ they were not a none too subtle sign that some wanted to return the era of Lee. Some were erected as late as the 2000s and in states that wreen't even states during the civil war - will it really do irreparable harm to our knowledge of history to remove them?

The local people ,whose taxes pay for the statues upkeep and also pay for the policing of any demonstrations, wanted them removed which I feel should be a significant factor as well.

Fwiw I would oppose something like the destruction of Arlington House as that to me is actual history. A bunch of cheap knockoff statues mostly based in places that had no connection to Lee himself are not the same in my eyes.
 
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