Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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SerenityNigh said:
I'm actually in favor of third parties for local elections, but makes little sense with POTUS
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Without Ralph Nader's intervention in 2000 Bush would never have been in a position to steal the election.

Ditto that funny looking wee bloke did for Bush the First in '92.
 
Khalekan said:
Without Ralph Nader's intervention in 2000 Bush would never have been in a position to steal the election.

Ditto that funny looking wee bloke did for Bush the First in '92.
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Yeah, no. Nader's impact was minimal and although Perot secured a lot of popular votes, Clinton won in a landslide over a sitting President. This election was lost in 1988; "read my lips..."

Attributing any credit to these as disruptive is probably under estimating the role of the electoral college.
 
Really, every day with this guy



I've got the same response every day...

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abelard said:
A Doctor's View of Obamacare
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-health-care-means-in-clay-county

“My patients are sixty per cent black and forty per cent white. Forty per cent are completely uninsured, and we just ask them for ten dollars to cover the visit. If they can’t pay, then it’s free. We do that because this is one of the poorest places in Georgia, with some of the sickest people, and we’re adjoined by counties that are just as bad.

“We’ve had two rural hospitals in the wider area close in the last seven years. And the quality of the remaining really rural hospitals is pretty awful. You have to go in one of five directions to find health care from here: there’s a physician’s assistant in a waiting room twenty miles away. But the closest real hospital is thirty miles. A real regional hospital is sixty miles away if you stay in Georgia, forty miles away in Alabama.

“Many charge a minimum of twenty-five dollars. But we have a fair number of people who live off food stamps, live off a hundred and ninety-four dollars a month, live with family. They cannot afford that. So people drive forty miles or more to see me. Few make appointments; many don’t know in advance when they’ll be able to get a ride. No one is told they’ll have to wait two weeks to see the doctor, but sometimes they’ll sit here and choose to wait several hours.

“I’m the only provider in the county, so it’s partly chronic care and partly urgent care that I do. There’s very high rates of diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease. That sort of thing. We just did an S.T.D. check. I have leg pain reported in this next patient this morning. We have a very high rate of elderly and disabled people here, because of multi-generational poverty. People who can leave have left.

“Most people are so poor and kind of out of it that they don’t expect anything. They mostly just expect to not have insurance. This morning, we had a lady with post-menopausal bleeding, which could be cancer. The absolute best thing to do is have her checked out by a gynecologist, but we really don’t have a way to do that that she can afford. The health department has some programs, but they generally require a diagnosis of cancer before their programs can pick up. So that’s a problem. People constantly have a problem being able to afford their medicines. I use generics all the time. And prescription-assistance programs, which are a tremendous amount of paperwork, which people have trouble doing. We use samples from drug reps.

“There’s no mental-health care in the county, which is crazy. I just had an eighteen-year-old who needed some mental-health medications renewed, so I did that. There just isn’t what you’d expect to have in America down here.

“In all fairness, Obamacare, as much as I was for it—and I’m on it myself—didn’t affect us much at all. The first year it came out, southwest Georgia had the second-highest premium costs in the nation, after Vail, Colorado. And because not many people make enough to be allowed to buy into it, very few people around here signed up for it. We also were not allowed to be a provider, because people were allowed to pick and choose providers. Then, of course, Georgia did not expand Medicaid. That’s why about forty per cent of our patients are uninsured.

“We didn’t see a whole lot of businesses here starting to offer insurance under Obamacare. Partly because the big companies—the chicken plant—already have insurance. And we don’t have many companies that are that fifty-to-one-hundred-employee size that would have been affected.

“With Trumpcare, we’d be going from bad to slightly worse, especially with the proposed Medicaid limits. There’s talk of, down the road, pregnant women might not be covered. Disabled people, too. Reduced special services. We’d have more limited funding. We have a private sixty-bed nursing home here in Fort Gaines, around the corner, and I gather that ninety-five per cent are Medicaid patients. There’s only one person paying cash there. There’s no financial reason why there should be health care in Clay County.

“People who are politically active and educated are generally pretty upset about the state of health care in this county. I had a wealthy, Trump-supporting retired pathologist tell me, ‘Shoot, we need a single-payer system.’ I was surprised to hear him say that. But the low levels of literacy and engagement of people here—I think a lot of them just aren’t even aware of these discussions going on. The uninsured don’t have anything or expect to get anything.

“The uncertainty of whether Trumpcare will or won’t pass is disturbing for us at the medical center, though. I expect, if it goes through, we’ll have more patients come in for the free or discounted health care. And we don’t have any more capacity. I’m here until 7 P.M. every night as it is. It’s just, how much more can you do?”
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All sounds very familiar...unfortunately
 
Khalekan said:
Without Ralph Nader's intervention in 2000 Bush would never have been in a position to steal the election.
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The problem with the 2000 election was how Clinton bungled the Elian Gonzalez case. It was a key democratic county with many Clinton supporters, who later turned on Clinton, and Gore by proxy, because of the storm-trooper snatch-back. As a result, they lost a lot of votes, and as you recall, the margins were razor thin.

Imagine: if Elian Gonzalez wasn't on that boat to Miami, there'd be no Iraq war. That's about as close to the butterfly effect as you get for politics.
 
verreauxi said:
Imagine: if Elian Gonzalez wasn't on that boat to Miami, there'd be no Iraq war. That's about as close to the butterfly effect as you get for politics.
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Maybe.

But, Democrats were more or less evenly split on the Iraq war votes. And far more of them would have been on board had the President also been a Dem. Al Gore had also been pretty hawkish on Saddam through the 90s.

Dems are always prone to making really stupid, belligerent foreign policy mistakes, in order to prove to people with names like Chud Truckley that they too are willing to get tough for America. It was like that throughout the Cold War, and, with few exceptions, ever thus.

And while in hindsight, the war was obviously an incredibly catastrophic, destructive, and stupid idea, the leading lights on both sides were determined to ignore all the warning signs at the time. As per usual, elite liberal media lined up to sell the war, inventing facts as necessary.

One of the more striking revelations from 9/11 was just how thin and mostly rhetorical American commitment to rule of law, the constitution, and individual liberties really is. In the aftermath, publicly proclaiming an intrepid enthusiasm for casting all these aside was one of the surest signs of patriotism. The pressure to make some sort of "statement," transfer-thread-style, no matter how ill-conceived, to satiate the desire for vengeance and performative strength was considerable, and I'm not sure any leading Dems would have been able or interested in a more thoughtful approach. Foreign policy is one of the few more or less bipartisan spheres left in American politics.

In any case, if something like that happens again, probably regardless of who is in charge, the response will be even more clumsy and self-defeating.
 
abelard said:
Maybe.

But, Democrats were more or less evenly split on the Iraq war votes. And far more of them would have been on board had the President also been a Dem. Al Gore had also been pretty hawkish on Saddam through the 90s.

Dems are always prone to making really stupid, belligerent foreign policy mistakes, in order to prove to people with names like Chud Truckley that they too are willing to get tough for America. It was like that throughout the Cold War, and, with few exceptions, ever thus.

And while in hindsight, the war was obviously an incredibly catastrophic, destructive, and stupid idea, the leading lights on both sides were determined to ignore all the warning signs at the time. As per usual, elite liberal media lined up to sell the war, inventing facts as necessary.

One of the more striking revelations from 9/11 was just how thin and mostly rhetorical American commitment to rule of law, the constitution, and individual liberties really is. In the aftermath, publicly proclaiming an intrepid enthusiasm for casting all these aside was one of the surest signs of patriotism. The pressure to make some sort of "statement," transfer-thread-style, no matter how ill-conceived, to satiate the desire for vengeance and performative strength was considerable, and I'm not sure any leading Dems would have been able or interested in a more thoughtful approach. Foreign policy is one of the few more or less bipartisan spheres left in American politics.

In any case, if something like that happens again, probably regardless of who is in charge, the response will be even more clumsy and self-defeating.
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I hear ya...I wasn't actually truly wedded to that idea...just something I found interesting.
 
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