Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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It appears, at least to me that the trump ideal is a simplistic one. 'Who's gonna pay? (someone else) Mexico!', 'We're gonna build a wall', 'It's gonna be a great deal, the best!', 'we're gonna fix immigration/industry/interests overseas/energy/jobs/education', 'we're gonna make america great again!'.

It's perfect, there's no substance and no metric of success, there's nothing to catch him out with because there's nothing there.

Ordinary people just don't care, they don't have the time nor the inclination to delve into every intricacy of whatever todays issue/problem is, and the easy answer is perfectly grasped. There's homeless people? Simply buy a home! fixed. There's jobless people? here? in america? the land of opportunity? Try harder! fixed. There's war overseas? eff em! I'm alright Jack. Out of sight out of mind. fixed. Another school shooting? arm the kids, more guns is the answer! fixed.
The overwhelming urge for the quickest and the stupidest and the easiest answer is the new opium of the masses. I don't care because it's not affecting me. (See also the environment). Anyone affected probably deserved it, because they're losers. Gimme easy, gimme brash, gimme politically incorrect and lets make it the standard. Inclusivity? Understanding? Not for me! All a load of tree hugging hippy woke crap! Someone else can deal with it, it's trivial and tedious.

Great swathes of the voting public have switched off, it's to much like hard work, 'they're all the same' manifest, nothing changes 'I just get poorer'. This feeling en masse is dangerous, we've seen nations mobilized from such stagnant positions before. War is brilliant if you win, and you live.
Social media has facilitated this. Simple slogans and 10 second clips endlessly broadcasting out to the masses.

The right has always had a fair easier and simpler message to sell.
 
It appears, at least to me that the trump ideal is a simplistic one. 'Who's gonna pay? (someone else) Mexico!', 'We're gonna build a wall', 'It's gonna be a great deal, the best!', 'we're gonna fix immigration/industry/interests overseas/energy/jobs/education', 'we're gonna make america great again!'.

It's perfect, there's no substance and no metric of success, there's nothing to catch him out with because there's nothing there.

Ordinary people just don't care, they don't have the time nor the inclination to delve into every intricacy of whatever todays issue/problem is, and the easy answer is perfectly grasped. There's homeless people? Simply buy a home! fixed. There's jobless people? here? in america? the land of opportunity? Try harder! fixed. There's war overseas? eff em! I'm alright Jack. Out of sight out of mind. fixed. Another school shooting? arm the kids, more guns is the answer! fixed.
The overwhelming urge for the quickest and the stupidest and the easiest answer is the new opium of the masses. I don't care because it's not affecting me. (See also the environment). Anyone affected probably deserved it, because they're losers. Gimme easy, gimme brash, gimme politically incorrect and lets make it the standard. Inclusivity? Understanding? Not for me! All a load of tree hugging hippy woke crap! Someone else can deal with it, it's trivial and tedious.

Great swathes of the voting public have switched off, it's to much like hard work, 'they're all the same' manifest, nothing changes 'I just get poorer'. This feeling en masse is dangerous, we've seen nations mobilized from such stagnant positions before. War is brilliant if you win, and you live.

Social media has facilitated this. Simple slogans and 10 second clips endlessly broadcasting out to the masses.

The right has always had a fair easier and simpler message to sell.

Couldn’t agree more , a vast proportion of the population just don’t care . They don’t listen to experts , they don’t vote for politicians, they don’t need facts or evidence they vote for trump , johnson and farage because they throw out empty words that resonate and seem like ‘characters who say what they think ‘ .

I totally get voting for the likes of trump or Brexit if you’ve got a right few quid and it suits you but people voting against their interests is becoming commonplace. Whether it’s those who need ACA , Latinos voting for trump or factories , fishermen and farmers voting for Brexit . All the while the media , and now twitter , spend their time telling you how those on the other side are out to get you .

I said it the other day the fact that working class blokes in Oldham or stoke are working themselves to a frenzy over 2% of farmers of 7% of the population who are impacted by private schools all just blows my mind . However they are and it feels like going to take a lot of work to get traditionally left leaning voters back to their ‘natural home ‘ . Demonisation of immigrants, the trans lobby and the rest it’s all fuel for the fire . It seems a large amount of people on the other side of the Atlantic are happy with the idea of a strong man leader and all that entails .
 
Social media has facilitated this. Simple slogans and 10 second clips endlessly broadcasting out to the masses.

The right has always had a far easier and simpler message to sell.
Smart phones happened, effectively mobile micro computers and so everyone was connected 24 hours a day. social media capitalised and now you are being scrutinized by the big computer in the sky, your every purchase, your every video watch, your internet forum access, all tracked and analysed.

'Enemy of the state' 1998.
Brill: The government's been in bed with the entire telecommunications industry since the forties. They've infected everything. They get into your bank statements, computer files, email, listen to your phone calls... Every wire, every airwave. The more technology used, the easier it is for them to keep tabs on you. It's a brave new world out there. At least it'd better be.
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Thomas Reynolds: We never dealt with domestic. With us, it was always war. We won the war. Now we're fighting the peace. It's a lot more volatile. Now we've got ten million crackpots out there with sniper scopes, sarin gas and C-4. Ten-year-olds go on the Net, downloading encryption we can barely break, not to mention instructions on how to make a low-yield nuclear device. Privacy's been dead for years because we can't risk it. The only privacy that's left is the inside of your head. Maybe that's enough. You think we're the enemy of democracy, you and I? I think we're democracy's last hope.

The bombardment of minutely updated targeted messaging. Bit like the sun glasses in 'They Live'. Got to say the former position of the church, at least in the west has occurred at around the same time. People worship differently now, it's money and fame and sex and excess. 'Love thy neighbour' has been replaced by 'Hate/sell everyone and everything'.
 
I do feel sorry for the family (the mum/grandmother). Imagine finding out you'd raised a kid to be a Trump supporter, not just a private voter but someone who proudly says to the world they think it was 'the right thing to do' etc. You'd probably be wondering just where you went wrong as a parent that they turned out like that.

Yeah but she turned up to vote in her grandma's sweater so that makes it okay
 
However they are and it feels like going to take a lot of work to get traditionally left leaning voters back to their ‘natural home ‘ .
Part of the problem.is that this doesn't appear to exist anymore. I think it's probably always been the case that people are not cut of one belief, or set of beliefs, it just took the Internet to allow fragmented reference groups to find one another.
 
Have a look online mate, there`s a big market for stuff like this ( as long as it`s mint )

Very few are mint sadly, only the stuff I bought as an adult - so late 90s all the old stuff was well read and a bit battered, anyone wanted them in the state they're in though be glad to try to arrange them getting hold of them.
 
I think everyone on here is against Hamas and Hezbolla mate. Unless you can share some posts where people.are saying otherwise?
Oh i don't know some pro Palestinian/anti Israel people see the October 7th 2023 attacks as the start of the Palestinians so called break for freedom.

Some of them do celebrate the October 7th 2023 attack on Israel and it's people.

Apparently no one here is like that but if people are getting offended by me calling Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organisations then it does make you wonder i have to admit?🤔
 
Oh i don't know some pro Palestinian/anti Israel people see the October 7th 2023 attacks as the start of the Palestinians so called break for freedom.

Some of them do celebrate the October 7th 2023 attack on Israel and it's people.

Apparently no one here is like that but if people are getting offended by me calling Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organisations then it does make you wonder i have to admit?🤔

Post a quote or stop saying it.
 
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