Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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Utter madness that this is POTUS chief Covid advisor
Is he looking for leverage to agree some sort of deal to concede defeat?
All very strange.
All very strange.
Martin Alvito
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I watched it live, laughed at the red meat he was clearly throwing at some disappointed kids in his audience, and went to bed thinking nothing of it.
The next morning, I was very confused by the coverage. It demonstrated, to me, the power of the media to make or break a primary candidacy. In large part, I suspect that underestimating Trump was linked to historical outcones such as Dean's 'rant' and Hart's torpedoed 1984 candidacy (as we all knew that kind of dirt would be out there on Trump), where the press decided.
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I thought the conceding bit was more of a custom/manners thing than an actual thing an out going President must do.
TN Toffee
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Possibly, but I wouldn’t give it to him. I’m not in favor of Biden or his administration actively trying to jail him, as I think that’s a bad look in any democratic nation. However, they also shouldn’t offer him and his people blanket immunity for any crimes that may come to light in exchange for stepping aside peacefully, which is what every other president has done for almost 250 years.
Yeah but the potential for mass riots etc if he keeps banging this drum.
What's his motivation for not conceding? Is it just his ego (every chance...), delusion? or is he looking for leverage/something in return for conceding?
He's buying time. He has to placate his looney fans. He still has the support of most of the GOP senators and until they come out against him, he'll keep stalling. The electoral college votes on Dec 14. Normally it's just a formality but I'd say Trump knows it's the line where senators will desert him. He may never officially concede but he'll start the handover process on Dec 14. He may be looking for pardons but you have to be charged with something to be pardoned and the Dems are well aware of that.
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Apologies if this has already been posted. It's just about nuts enough to be him 
There are suggestions Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon has had the effect of emboldening subsequent Administrations and preventing the American people from gaining a full understanding of their misdeeds and applying appropriate accountability. Further, while I believe Ford did what he thought was best his decision to pardon Nixon (and then the Reagan/Bush pardons, etc) has increased the level of distrust in government and polarization of political/cultural factions.
Not conceeding (and instructing his admin to act as if he still has a chance of a second term) is delaying the usual transition process between the outgoing and incoming admins. In 2000 there was evidence that the delayed Clinton -Bush handoff from the Florida debacle lead to holes in security which contributed to the errors in not identifying the planning for the 9/11 attacks.
This year it will likely impact Covid handling and vaccine rollout
TN Toffee
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At present, Trump isn’t even facing charges for crimes Biden or any future president would be able to pardon him of, correct? I know he’s facing the stuff in NY, but that’s a state matter. It feels like Trump and his legal issues are just going to be a bit of a sticky wicket for the foreseeable future. More than likely he’s engaged in a fair bit of criminal activity, and deserves to face the consequences for it. On the other hand, he has a large, vocal, often violent group of supporters who will no doubt see him being locked away as some sort of Democratic effort to avoid facing him at the polls, so it might be in everyone’s best interest to just let him recede into the background as best we can. He’s already in his mid 70’s, so it’s not like he’s going to be around forever.
Apologies if this has already been posted. It's just about nuts enough to be him
It sounds exactly like trump. The speech pattern is very very similar.
That was, essentially, Ford's rationale and here we are now - in effect, the POTUS is not accountable to the law.
TN Toffee
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I’m much too young to remember, but did Nixon have any sort of widespread support post-presidency comparable to Trump’s MAGA cult? Hadn’t his own party effectively deserted him, as he knew the Senate would convict him, and instead just chose to resign rather than be removed from office?
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