Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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My ethical compass? I didn’t read that report and like many topics the media reports I question. Conservatives are compassionate but we have laws in place for a reason. What about the same or similar tactics being used or implemented under the Obama administration? There is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. You can distort the topic right along with what the media tells you if you want. Lastly, immigration is not the only political issue...it might be to you and if you are going through legal channels, what exactly are you worried about?
Oh I’m not worried about myself. I guess I’m upset at the thought of someone turning up at our doorstep looking for help and instead we take their children.
 
You have your reason(s) and I have mine...mine are more about policies and principles versus hatred for one man.
Nice. You have policy preferences and principles yet those of us who will not vote for your preferred candidate simply have hatred for him. Would it shock you that those of us who will not vote for Trump have different policy preferences and principles?
 
There’s some truth to this, in the sense that the 24 hour news networks have to fill their airwaves with something. On the other hand complaining about the coverage of Trump being too negative is a bit like looking out your window, seeing it’s pissing down rain outside and then being upset when the meteorologist on the evening news says it’s raining.

I realize that some Americans never have and never will set foot outside the country, and as such could give a **** about what people in other countries think about us. But you clearly have traveled abroad in the past, and say you’d like to do so in the future. Does it not bother you that not only has our status as a global leader and visionary been greatly diminished by completely backing out of the Paris Climate Accord (among other things), but that we are such an international laughingstock due to our handling of COVID that as of today we are literally banned from entering the EU?

What are the positives/accomplishments to come out of the past four years in your opinion?
I guess I will never understand the lefts fixation on worrying about what other countries think of us. I have traveled the world a little...England twice, Ireland, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Haiti and others. They probably knew I was an American and I never had an issue or any of them voice a concern about our global leadership in the world. Actually the opposite...especially in England - regardless of what the media tells you many people like Trump and love America. I talked to a good friend last week that lives in Australia and he says far more people like Trump there than don’t. There is a silent majority here in America and they don’t speak up because the left will disrespect, discredit or do worse to them, sort of like what is going on here.

Climate Accords? Highly overrated and something where we would have to pay the lion share of while India and China don’t do a damn thing. It’s a joke and will do nothing except give us virtue signaling points.

Have we really fumbled the COVID problem worse than most of Europe? Go look at those statistics again and take into consideration we are the 3rd largest population in the world - far more than the biggest EU country. BTW, what about Sweden?

Accomplishments:
  1. Middle East peace agreements with Israel
  2. Drawing down of military involvement in foreign conflicts
  3. Signed Right-To-Try legislation
  4. Installed Constitutional Judges and Justices
  5. Tax cuts
  6. Improved trade deals
  7. Held NATO nations accountable
  8. Dealing strongly with China
  9. Strong economy and low unemployment prior to COVID
  10. Got us out of job killing and costly Paris Climate Accord
  11. VA reform to name a few
 
Nice. You have policy preferences and principles yet those of us who will not vote for your preferred candidate simply have hatred for him. Would it shock you that those of us who will not vote for Trump have different policy preferences and principles?
No it wouldn’t shock me but the basis for this thread has basically become hatred for Trump. I’m glad to see its more than just hatred for you and I have already addressed this with TN Toffee.
 
I guess I will never understand the lefts fixation on worrying about what other countries think of us. I have traveled the world a little...England twice, Ireland, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Haiti and others. They probably knew I was an American and I never had an issue or any of them voice a concern about our global leadership in the world. Actually the opposite...especially in England - regardless of what the media tells you many people like Trump and love America. I talked to a good friend last week that lives in Australia and he says far more people like Trump there than don’t. There is a silent majority here in America and they don’t speak up because the left will disrespect, discredit or do worse to them, sort of like what is going on here.
I spoke to an Aussie friend last week and he said quite the opposite, which is in line with all available polling in Australia regarding Donald Trump.

There is no evidence of a silent majority in the United States that supports the POTUS. None. Not in 2016 and not now. Further, I've never understood why people on the right are supposedly afraid of the left. In the typical mindset of the right preached on FOX or talk radio, lefties are effete snobs with too much education or homosexuals or other sorts of "weakling"...
 
I spoke to an Aussie friend last week and he said quite the opposite, which is in line with all available polling in Australia regarding Donald Trump.

There is no evidence of a silent majority in the United States that supports the POTUS. None. Not in 2016 and not now. Further, I've never understood why people on the right are supposedly afraid of the left. In the typical mindset of the right preached on FOX or talk radio, lefties are effete snobs with too much education or homosexuals or other sorts of "weakling"...
Ok, maybe our Aussie friends are just seeing what they want to see then. Opposing views exist there I’m sure...believe it or not.

No silent majority? I guess that’s just made up. Nah, it’s there and it was there in 2016 like it or not. The right is afraid of the leftists? Please. Maybe they have better things to do than debate people on the internet. BTW, nice stereotyping of people on the right.
 
I guess I will never understand the lefts fixation on worrying about what other countries think of us. I have traveled the world a little...England twice, Ireland, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Haiti and others. They probably knew I was an American and I never had an issue or any of them voice a concern about our global leadership in the world. Actually the opposite...especially in England - regardless of what the media tells you many people like Trump and love America. I talked to a good friend last week that lives in Australia and he says far more people like Trump there than don’t. There is a silent majority here in America and they don’t speak up because the left will disrespect, discredit or do worse to them, sort of like what is going on here.

Climate Accords? Highly overrated and something where we would have to pay the lion share of while India and China don’t do a damn thing. It’s a joke and will do nothing except give us virtue signaling points.

Have we really fumbled the COVID problem worse than most of Europe? Go look at those statistics again and take into consideration we are the 3rd largest population in the world - far more than the biggest EU country. BTW, what about Sweden?

Accomplishments:
  1. Middle East peace agreements with Israel
  2. Drawing down of military involvement in foreign conflicts
  3. Signed Right-To-Try legislation
  4. Installed Constitutional Judges and Justices
  5. Tax cuts
  6. Improved trade deals
  7. Held NATO nations accountable
  8. Dealing strongly with China
  9. Strong economy and low unemployment prior to COVID
  10. Got us out of job killing and costly Paris Climate Accord
  11. VA reform to name a few
How Americans are regarded around the world, particularly in the UK matters to me because in a non-pandemic world, I spend a good bit of time there. I’d like my country conduct itself in a respectable manner, and be trying to live up to it’s lofty founding ideals. I honestly haven’t really ever met anyone in my travels who was openly hostile towards Americans, but at they same time, have yet to meet anyone who supports, or even remotely likes Trump. Granted, probably 99% of my time has been spent in London, Liverpool or Scotland, none of which are exactly hotbeds for Trump’s brand of politics. Maybe if I’d spent a little more time in Burnley, lol.

As for COVID, you’re right about our death rates not being substantially worse than anywhere in Western Europe, but when you consider how much more social distance is inherent to our lives, we shouldn’t even be close to their numbers. Outside of a handful of major cities, nobody here uses public transit, and most of us have our own cars and houses. That should count for a lot when fighting a virus where social distance is paramount.

As for the accomplishments, I’ll agree with you that he’s continued to bring troops home from overseas conflicts, done a good job with the VA, and continued the upward trajectory of the economy prior to COVID. He doesn’t get all the credit for that one, but he inherited something that was working, didn’t mess it up, and in some ways probably made it better.

Strongly disagree on points 1, 4, 5 and 10.

-Of course the Israelis loved his “peace agreement” because it **** all over the Palestinians.

-He’s just installed partisan judges to do Republican bidding, but both sides are guilty of this. IMO, judges shouldn’t be appointed with the idea of allowing them to legislate from the bench.

-Trump and his millionaire bros got tax cuts. Taxes went up on my very middle class income.

-I’ll just state upfront that I’ve got skin in the game, and agree to disagree on the climate stuff. I just don’t think it’s worth burning the earth down in order to save some money. But again, I run a lawn care business in the American south, and if the temperature really does go up by 10° or more over the next couple decades like is being predicted, I’m screwed. If that means paying some additional taxes (myself included), I’m fine with that if it means my livelihood doesn’t literally dry up when I’m 50.
 
Ok, maybe our Aussie friends are just seeing what they want to see then. Opposing views exist there I’m sure...believe it or not.

No silent majority? I guess that’s just made up. Nah, it’s there and it was there in 2016 like it or not. The right is afraid of the leftists? Please. Maybe they have better things to do than debate people on the internet. BTW, nice stereotyping of people on the right.
No. I think one Aussie friend is projecting his/her bias rather than reflecting realities shown over scientific study.

Yes, the "silent majority" you referred to is made up. There's no evidence of it, unless you could provide something to contradict. But it won't be election results or approval polling.

You, my friend, were the one who indicated supporters of the POTUS were afraid to indicate their support for fear of the left retaliating. I'm not stereotyping. I'm taking you at your word.
 
I guess I will never understand the lefts fixation on worrying about what other countries think of us. I have traveled the world a little...England twice, Ireland, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Haiti and others. They probably knew I was an American and I never had an issue or any of them voice a concern about our global leadership in the world. Actually the opposite...especially in England - regardless of what the media tells you many people like Trump and love America. I talked to a good friend last week that lives in Australia and he says far more people like Trump there than don’t. There is a silent majority here in America and they don’t speak up because the left will disrespect, discredit or do worse to them, sort of like what is going on here.

Climate Accords? Highly overrated and something where we would have to pay the lion share of while India and China don’t do a damn thing. It’s a joke and will do nothing except give us virtue signaling points.

Have we really fumbled the COVID problem worse than most of Europe? Go look at those statistics again and take into consideration we are the 3rd largest population in the world - far more than the biggest EU country. BTW, what about Sweden?

Accomplishments:
  1. Middle East peace agreements with Israel
  2. Drawing down of military involvement in foreign conflicts
  3. Signed Right-To-Try legislation
  4. Installed Constitutional Judges and Justices
  5. Tax cuts
  6. Improved trade deals
  7. Held NATO nations accountable
  8. Dealing strongly with China
  9. Strong economy and low unemployment prior to COVID
  10. Got us out of job killing and costly Paris Climate Accord
  11. VA reform to name a few
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You should maybe look into things and not just believe everything he says as gospel as this is far, far from the truth. Don't reply as you're clearly deep entrenched in your idol worship, there's no space for a conversation.
 
My ethical compass? I didn’t read that report and like many topics the media reports I question. Conservatives are compassionate but we have laws in place for a reason. What about the same or similar tactics being used or implemented under the Obama administration? There is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. You can distort the topic right along with what the media tells you if you want. Lastly, immigration is not the only political issue...it might be to you and if you are going through legal channels, what exactly are you worried about?

There were no same/similar tactics in the Obama administration regarding this issue.
 
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