So they should just let him get away with whatever?
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The stuff that they too are up to their necks in.
Such as corruption, bombing countries illegally, spying on citizens without evidence, jailing people without charge, locking up journalists.
You know, the usual stuff that should be used to impeach a president.
They are all OK because their presidents and politicians do that shizz, too.
I mean, what exactly have they got on him for these charges?
An overheard phone call?
Compared to the list above, it's laughable.
If this feller is as bad as they say, why have congress recently increased his military budget by $130Billion?
If he's so deranged, why give him increased spying powers under the Patriot Act?
Why wave through all his judges?
Why give him his money for the wall with no concessions?
This is for show and nothing else as they don't oppose him substantively on policies.
As before, I just wanna say that I'm happy to defend an accused rapist, >10x accused sexual assaulter, corrupt, child-shaming, lying, xenophobic, racist, narcissist because it supports my narrow views on gun control and hypocritical views on abortion. But of course, apart from those faults, I think he is obviously not a good person. This is win-win for me, because I'm not defending him even though he does support a few of the views that I hold, despite being a an accused rapist, >10x accused sexual assaulter, corrupt, child-shaming, lying, xenophobic, racist, narcissist.
I also want to point out that I'm a good Christian.
I also want to point out that I'm a good Christian.
Trump Should Be Removed from Office - Christianity Today
It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was.
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Ok, so the phone call wasn't just "overheard" - the White House released a transcript of the call which outright showed what he was doing. He was soliciting foreign interference in an election, and using American military aid (along with a White House meeting, which confers much needed legitimacy) to bribe the leader of a foreign country into doing it.
By doing so he brought into doubt the ability for the country to have a free and fair election in 2020
That is pretty much the textbook definition of what is impeachable, as laid out in the constitution.
Now I would argue there's other things that he could be impeached for (the ten counts of obstruction of justice in the Mueller Report for starters) but I do see the sense in keeping it tightly focused and "open and shut" too.
But:
It's not "his" military budget.
They haven't increased his spying powers, they've remained exactly the same.
His judges have been "waved through" by a Republican Senate - Mitch McConnell changed the rules so they only need 50 votes to confirm judges.
He hasn't had his money for the wall. The funding for border security has remained exactly the same rather than going up to the insane figures he was requesting.
None of the things you said he should be impeached for are impeachable conduct - they may well be wrong/immoral, but they're not impeachable as they're in line with policy and/or the law (again, rightly or wrongly)
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Indeed....
Oh I see. My worry is they have pulled the trigger too quickly, so giving him the opportunity to push the 'elected vs the people' bit.
I can't see Republicans, no matter how much they want to rule against him, doing so purely because of how loyal his base is and the possibility that with a second term he can alter the balance of the Supreme Court for the next 50-60 years. That's the big prize.
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The president's support percentages have only ever changed a few points for or against since the outset of his administration; no president in memory has had such a static (as well as small) base of support.
Yet somehow impeachment is supposed to change this and ensure his reelection? That's a talking point based on precedent and convention yet, in case anyone's missed it, there's nothing precedented or conventional about this president or the current political moment in the USA. Expecting past measures to apply as if this were politics as usual seems both wishful and lazy.
Yet somehow impeachment is supposed to change this and ensure his reelection? That's a talking point based on precedent and convention yet, in case anyone's missed it, there's nothing precedented or conventional about this president or the current political moment in the USA. Expecting past measures to apply as if this were politics as usual seems both wishful and lazy.
not "indeed" at all. You're not paying attention.
Stick June 2020 in your calendar.
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I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve seen the incredibly lazy “this has won him 2020” analysis over the last few days.
Usually from people who don’t even follow American politics closely, I mean people could be right but most people saying so aren’t doing any real analysis or looking at polls etc to come to this conclusion, it’s just a lazy guess.
Usually from people who don’t even follow American politics closely, I mean people could be right but most people saying so aren’t doing any real analysis or looking at polls etc to come to this conclusion, it’s just a lazy guess.
Is there a more craven scumbag bootlicker in the US than Mitch McConnell?
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