Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[abelard]

I think Trump should sue Stein after he becomes the president.

"This isn’t just a post-truth society. It’s post-rational and post-argument. When the next American president spends his week asserting, as Donald Trump has just done, that the US election wasn’t rigged so there’s no need for a recount, and that he would have won the popular vote if only the election hadn’t been rigged, then let’s not get into a debate about whether certain political stances are narrow- or broad-minded. That distinction is pointless. We’re now post-mind."

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...uth-confusion-contradiction-political-bubbles

 

[TheFinnFan]

"This isn’t just a post-truth society. It’s post-rational and post-argument. When the next American president spends his week asserting, as Donald Trump has just done, that the US election wasn’t rigged so there’s no need for a recount, and that he would have won the popular vote if only the election hadn’t been rigged, then let’s not get into a debate about whether certain political stances are narrow- or broad-minded. That distinction is pointless. We’re now post-mind."

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...uth-confusion-contradiction-political-bubbles

Pretty good piece actually. Still, Stein needs to be spanked because she clearly has pulled a scam here.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Wisconsin recount costs about 3 million dollars...and after the recount day two..it looks like Trump has gained 3 votes

Scam victims have basically bought three votes for Donald paying million dollars per vote.

You couldnt make it up

 

[abelard]

https://www.ft.com/content/206b98ec-b74f-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62

Did Obamacare help Trump?
‘Obamacare is a story of people who feel trapped in a capricious system that they don’t understand’

A few weeks ago a friend in New York received a call from his stepmother in North Carolina. She was upset and scared. In recent years, this woman, who I will call Sally, has grappled with ill health. She was recently refused disability benefits and has a very tight household budget, existing on $1,400 a month. But now she has been hit by another blow. Two years ago she joined the Obamacare health scheme, paying $356 a month in premiums. But last month she was told that the cost had jumped to $1,115 — or $631 with Sally’s tax credit.

An economist might state that this simply reflects hard economic logic: Obamacare was never going to be able to offer low premiums indefinitely, since fewer than expected healthy people signed up and some insurance companies dropped out. But Sally and her family don’t care much about economic logic. What they face is the threat that their healthcare bills will double, seemingly inexplicably, and consume half their entire monthly income. They are not alone: many other families have experienced the same shock. Little surprise, then, that Donald Trump is extremely popular in this corner of North Carolina where Obamacare has taken root.

Pundits should take note. In recent weeks, devastated Democrats have come up with many reasons for their electoral losses, starting with the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails. But, for my money, one key factor has not received enough attention: earlier this autumn, the details of the 2017 Obamacare premiums were mailed out, creating shock and confusion for numerous households.

This point is not always entirely obvious to elite pundits, let alone non-Americans. If, like me, you grew up in Europe assuming that free healthcare was as ubiquitous as running water, the patterns of the American healthcare debate tend to seem very alien, if not bizarre. And wealthier Americans often do not appreciate the psychological impact of Obamacare premiums for the simple reason that they don’t use the system (and often do not know anybody who does)....

There is another key point. When I have talked to policymakers about Obamacare, I have sometimes been told that nobody should be seeing their premiums rise from $356 to $631 because there are subsidies available for cash-strapped households. That is true. In this case, when Sally looked deeper into the Obamacare system, with the help of a third-party adviser, she eventually found a way to cut through the complexity of the website and the bureaucracy to extract tax credits. As a result, it seems her bill may fall back to $241.

That sounds comforting. But there is a catch. Sally has cut her bill because she is savvy, determined and well-educated enough to fight back. Millions of other Americans are not; least of all when faced with the hellish complexity of the Obamacare system and the shockingly user-unfriendly website. And even though Sally has not lost out financially, she does not feel remotely happy; on the contrary, after seeing $356 turn into $1,115 and then $241, she is terrified about what shocks might hit next. “This is the part that really scares me — [the risk of] owing thousands at the end of the year [from tax credits],” she says.

 

[TheFinnFan]

https://www.ft.com/content/206b98ec-b74f-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62

Did Obamacare help Trump?
‘Obamacare is a story of people who feel trapped in a capricious system that they don’t understand’

A few weeks ago a friend in New York received a call from his stepmother in North Carolina. She was upset and scared. In recent years, this woman, who I will call Sally, has grappled with ill health. She was recently refused disability benefits and has a very tight household budget, existing on $1,400 a month. But now she has been hit by another blow. Two years ago she joined the Obamacare health scheme, paying $356 a month in premiums. But last month she was told that the cost had jumped to $1,115 — or $631 with Sally’s tax credit.

An economist might state that this simply reflects hard economic logic: Obamacare was never going to be able to offer low premiums indefinitely, since fewer than expected healthy people signed up and some insurance companies dropped out. But Sally and her family don’t care much about economic logic. What they face is the threat that their healthcare bills will double, seemingly inexplicably, and consume half their entire monthly income. They are not alone: many other families have experienced the same shock. Little surprise, then, that Donald Trump is extremely popular in this corner of North Carolina where Obamacare has taken root.

Pundits should take note. In recent weeks, devastated Democrats have come up with many reasons for their electoral losses, starting with the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails. But, for my money, one key factor has not received enough attention: earlier this autumn, the details of the 2017 Obamacare premiums were mailed out, creating shock and confusion for numerous households.

This point is not always entirely obvious to elite pundits, let alone non-Americans. If, like me, you grew up in Europe assuming that free healthcare was as ubiquitous as running water, the patterns of the American healthcare debate tend to seem very alien, if not bizarre. And wealthier Americans often do not appreciate the psychological impact of Obamacare premiums for the simple reason that they don’t use the system (and often do not know anybody who does)....

There is another key point. When I have talked to policymakers about Obamacare, I have sometimes been told that nobody should be seeing their premiums rise from $356 to $631 because there are subsidies available for cash-strapped households. That is true. In this case, when Sally looked deeper into the Obamacare system, with the help of a third-party adviser, she eventually found a way to cut through the complexity of the website and the bureaucracy to extract tax credits. As a result, it seems her bill may fall back to $241.

That sounds comforting. But there is a catch. Sally has cut her bill because she is savvy, determined and well-educated enough to fight back. Millions of other Americans are not; least of all when faced with the hellish complexity of the Obamacare system and the shockingly user-unfriendly website. And even though Sally has not lost out financially, she does not feel remotely happy; on the contrary, after seeing $356 turn into $1,115 and then $241, she is terrified about what shocks might hit next. “This is the part that really scares me — [the risk of] owing thousands at the end of the year [from tax credits],” she says.

Ofcourse Obamacare helped Trump. Even Bill Clinton said during Hillarys campaign that Obamacare was pretty impossible system for common people.

 

[abelard]

Ofcourse Obamacare helped Trump. Even Bill Clinton said during Hillarys campaign that Obamacare was pretty impossible system for common people.

They're in for a rude surprise when they learn that they actually voted for Paul Ryan though

Sad.

 

[ste d' indica]

"This isn’t just a post-truth society. It’s post-rational and post-argument. When the next American president spends his week asserting, as Donald Trump has just done, that the US election wasn’t rigged so there’s no need for a recount, and that he would have won the popular vote if only the election hadn’t been rigged, then let’s not get into a debate about whether certain political stances are narrow- or broad-minded. That distinction is pointless. We’re now post-mind."

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...uth-confusion-contradiction-political-bubbles

Orwell would've been proud of that one.

 

[peteblue]

Wisconsin recount costs about 3 million dollars...and after the recount day two..it looks like Trump has gained 3 votes

Scam victims have basically bought three votes for Donald paying million dollars per vote.

You couldnt make it up

Brilliant......

 

[mezzrow]

are there any Americans left on this thread? just asking...

 

[peteblue]

No......

 

[dandydan]

Wisconsin recount costs about 3 million dollars...and after the recount day two..it looks like Trump has gained 3 votes

Scam victims have basically bought three votes for Donald paying million dollars per vote.

You couldnt make it up

I'd vote democrat for a million quid.

 

[Clint Planet]

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Donald Trump didn’t like Saturday Night Live last night very much.

During the show he tweeted out the following response, saying that the show was completely “unwatchable” and “not funny.”

When, in fact, it was actually very funny – and got a lot of fanfare for making fun of Donald Trump’s tweets, no less! Pretty ironic that he angrily tweeted about a show making fun of his tweets!

Well – with that said – one woman by the name of Danielle Muscato ended up going off on Donald Trump in his twitter feed in response to this latest outburst of his.

It was such a glorious beat down – that we had to write about it and share with you.

Her message was instantly received by thousands and rose to the top of the Twitter feed for all to see. No doubt, by the time this article is received – hundreds of thousands of people will be receiving her message – and they should. It’s worth every bit of your time to read.

Danielle Muscato just said what half of America has been thinking for months now.

 

[peteblue]

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Donald Trump didn’t like Saturday Night Live last night very much.

During the show he tweeted out the following response, saying that the show was completely “unwatchable” and “not funny.”

When, in fact, it was actually very funny – and got a lot of fanfare for making fun of Donald Trump’s tweets, no less! Pretty ironic that he angrily tweeted about a show making fun of his tweets!

Well – with that said – one woman by the name of Danielle Muscato ended up going off on Donald Trump in his twitter feed in response to this latest outburst of his.

It was such a glorious beat down – that we had to write about it and share with you.

Her message was instantly received by thousands and rose to the top of the Twitter feed for all to see. No doubt, by the time this article is received – hundreds of thousands of people will be receiving her message – and they should. It’s worth every bit of your time to read.

Danielle Muscato just said what half of America has been thinking for months now.

I'm getting the impression you don't like Trump. Might be wrong like........,

 

[TheFinnFan]

oh boo-hoo muscato

what a waste of bit space

 

[Clint Planet]

I'm getting the impression you don't like Trump. Might be wrong like........,

That was just one American girl, Pete. Bravura stuff.