Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Did you even read the article?

He himself said he could not coach girls basketball anymore they directly quoted him and asked if it was possible he could. they were simply checking if that was a valid claim. Which it turns out it isn't and they go on to defend him

They even agree with him that at first glance maybe he cannot because of this but they go to say that they asked around and the experts including the league say he is good because he passed all of the checks etc...
This is not only cruel, it is unworthy of you. What percentage of people read the article? 20%? 15%?

The article isn't the point and the writer of it didn't put that tableaux together with the picture. Do you know how newspapers work? You are blinded by hate, or deliberately obtuse. Don't debate facts to support outright slander. Appalling.

How about just BRETT KAVANAUGH IS A NONCE on the top and some pictures of candid teens lounging at the beach with him photoshopped in? Fair?
 
What are you on about? That is the bonkers thing about this thread. So much twisting. Ruairi didn't answer and I clearly directed the questions to everyone. You're saying things which contradict posts written mere moments ago. It's a massive brain fart (or blind spot) on your part.

And I didn't correct your grammar, I pointed out you said the opposite of what you thought you were saying. Again, that's something to think about.




If you don't use that phrase, then what are your views when people use it they way it's been used here? You're avoiding the actual issue by taking yourself out of the debate ("I don't use that phrase anyway"). I understand it's to not disturb the prevailing groupthink, which is that Trump is bad, so bad he even supports paedos!

And Ted Bundy, who is/was a serial killer, being nice to his Mum has quite literally zero relevance to whether Trump, who is the sitting US President and does not have a history of violently hurting people, does indeed have sound policies.

So we bypass your ambitious serial-killing disclaimer to at least get one solid response to one of the two key questions I have. We can then move on to the next bit, which is why these sound policies aren't talked about, while unsound policies are hugely in-focus and, as we've seen, often exaggerated & misunderstood.

The answer is groupthink, Web 2.0 version. Groupthink breeds polarised tribalism. Such tribalism sells very well as it provides its users with dopamine hits (clicks, shares & comments = users sharing their own info & providing content for which advertisers happily pay for). That the two sides are constantly riling each other up is the intended effect: more conflict, more clicks. An article about the Chinese landing a probe on an asteroid will garner significantly less clicks/comments than the latest identity-politics paen or Jordan Peterson tweet. Just as an article or comment on a sound Trump policy won't generate any interest, for there's not much dopamine there. No angle, no conflict. Many users may even recognise this and won't be arsed because they're entertained.

Has politics become mere celebrity-following for educated people? It shouldn't be, as it affects real lives in ways glossy-mag celebrities don't.

A conspiracy theorist would speak of Groupthink 2.0 being distraction-material but honestly I don't think mankind is organised or long-sighted enough to pull that off.

The next question is why do so many educated folk fall in line with groupthink? Because many people long to belong, to feel part of something (#theresistance, #metoo, #blacklivesmatter, #itsoktobewhite etc). In the pre-web days we in Western societies supported individualism: be yourself, think for yourself. Web 2.0 has somehow regressed that. Now there's a prevailing you're either with us or against us mentality, which only 17 years ago we admonished Bush Jr for as he tried to sell that to the world. We admonished him because back then we instinctively understood that many situations don't have black & white answers. We weren't so tied to some identity (groupthink) that we had to pick a side.

That web-use makes actual changes to the brain's structures is already known (neuroplasticity)...we just don't know exactly what. But we know even when clear logic is staring right at someone they will still find a way to avoid it (Trump himself and his fans are also clearly very guilty of this!).

The Trump phenomenon is a huge deal in mass human psychology, specifically the insanely-intense focus on him from the antis which has made him the most reported/commented-on person in human history. It can only be defined as an addiction. There are quite a few learned studies on this already, but it's all far from the mainstream for now.

This thread is a solid example. I find it very interesting, hence my occasional posts here.


I don't mind all the troll accusations, it'd be worth it if at least one or two non-posting readers of this thread come to similar conclusions.
This.

If you were a bookish geek like yours truly, you'd have slogged through Asimov's Foundation series at one time or another. Many first claimed that Obama was "The Mule", and the same folks are making the same claim for Trump. I actually think that Trump is the more likely candidate for the appellation.
 
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I believe every work printed below, and this is the point of what is going on. This is how people of my mindset see current events. There are millions of us. We do not get in the street and protest. We are silenced at work, because if we say any of this there, someone in HR may decide to destroy us like they are doing to Kav. My thanks to John Hinderaker for summing this up so beautifully.

Brett Kavanaugh enjoys one of the most spotless reputations of anyone in American public life. He has been enthusiastically endorsed by those who have known him all his life–by girls he knew in high school and college, by judges he has served with, by professors and students and Harvard and Yale law schools, by judges who have worked with him, by his judicial clerks–most of whom have been women–by the American Bar Association, by sitting Supreme Court justices. In short, everyone who has ever known or dealt with Brett Kavanaugh endorses him.

I think that Judge Kavanaugh’s pristine reputation is one reason why the Democrats have unleashed against him a smear campaign unparalleled in American history. This is the message they are trying to send: If we can do this to the Boy Scout Brett Kavanaugh, we can do it to anyone. Are you thinking of serving in a Republican administration? Or accepting an appointment to the federal judiciary from a Republican president? Think twice, and then think again.

Because our smear machine will reach back to middle school if necessary. If we can’t find any dirt on you, we will manufacture some. There is no depth to which we will not stoop, and your honesty, integrity and spotless reputation are no match for our control over the media and our determination to dredge up ridiculous allegations against anyone who stands in our way.

Really, the more ridiculous the better. If we can accuse Brett Kavanaugh, one of the most respected lawyers and judges in America, of gang rape, we can accuse anyone of anything! And our insane accusations will dominate the news.

That is the Democratic Party’s message. And we have learned from the Christine Ford fiasco that accusations don’t require corroborating evidence. A single wacky, false allegation will negate decades of hard work on behalf of the American people.

By smearing the ultimate Boy Scout, the Democrats signal that they are determined to go lower than anyone has ever gone in American history. They intend to deter normal people from serving in Republican administrations, or accepting appointments from Republican presidents, or, ultimately, from identifying themselves with the Republican party. Given that strategy, the fact that they are smearing a man of obviously sterling character on absurdly flimsy grounds is not a bug, it is a feature. The fact that the Democrats’ smears are so patently false is ultimately their main point.

The Democrats are telling us: Republicans, beware–if this can happen to Brett Kavanaugh, it can happen to anyone. You’d better go quietly and cede power to us.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/09/why-the-brett-kavanaugh-smear.php
 
I believe every work printed below, and this is the point of what is going on. This is how people of my mindset see current events. There are millions of us. We do not get in the street and protest. We are silenced at work, because if we say any of this there, someone in HR may decide to destroy us like they are doing to Kav. My thanks to John Hinderaker for summing this up so beautifully.

Brett Kavanaugh enjoys one of the most spotless reputations of anyone in American public life. He has been enthusiastically endorsed by those who have known him all his life–by girls he knew in high school and college, by judges he has served with, by professors and students and Harvard and Yale law schools, by judges who have worked with him, by his judicial clerks–most of whom have been women–by the American Bar Association, by sitting Supreme Court justices. In short, everyone who has ever known or dealt with Brett Kavanaugh endorses him.

I think that Judge Kavanaugh’s pristine reputation is one reason why the Democrats have unleashed against him a smear campaign unparalleled in American history. This is the message they are trying to send: If we can do this to the Boy Scout Brett Kavanaugh, we can do it to anyone. Are you thinking of serving in a Republican administration? Or accepting an appointment to the federal judiciary from a Republican president? Think twice, and then think again.

Because our smear machine will reach back to middle school if necessary. If we can’t find any dirt on you, we will manufacture some. There is no depth to which we will not stoop, and your honesty, integrity and spotless reputation are no match for our control over the media and our determination to dredge up ridiculous allegations against anyone who stands in our way.

Really, the more ridiculous the better. If we can accuse Brett Kavanaugh, one of the most respected lawyers and judges in America, of gang rape, we can accuse anyone of anything! And our insane accusations will dominate the news.

That is the Democratic Party’s message. And we have learned from the Christine Ford fiasco that accusations don’t require corroborating evidence. A single wacky, false allegation will negate decades of hard work on behalf of the American people.

By smearing the ultimate Boy Scout, the Democrats signal that they are determined to go lower than anyone has ever gone in American history. They intend to deter normal people from serving in Republican administrations, or accepting appointments from Republican presidents, or, ultimately, from identifying themselves with the Republican party. Given that strategy, the fact that they are smearing a man of obviously sterling character on absurdly flimsy grounds is not a bug, it is a feature. The fact that the Democrats’ smears are so patently false is ultimately their main point.

The Democrats are telling us: Republicans, beware–if this can happen to Brett Kavanaugh, it can happen to anyone. You’d better go quietly and cede power to us.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/09/why-the-brett-kavanaugh-smear.php
With respect... what a load of unmitigated bull****
 
If you were a bookish geek like yours truly, you'd have slogged through Asimov's Foundation series at one time or another.

I think a lot of us on this thread are well-read, even similarly-read, just that we must've taken different messages on board. I've enjoyed classic Russian fiction too, Asimov, Bulgakov, Zamyatin, Dostoevsky, ...there's messages in them that are still relevant today which I often pull out in my own posts.

I'd bet money that if Orwell was still around now his reputation would be crucified by Groupthink 2.0.
 
Morning @dholliday
I haven't read all your posts yet but let me give a brief reason why I left this and went to bed.
You seemed concerned that those who don't like trump never give him credit for anything.
We then had a decent back and forth about the merits of some of his policies.
This all came to an abrupt end when I alluded to Moore (not trump) being a pedophile. You seized on this as some sort of example of the modern conversation and how unfair Trump has it. I'm not going to get dragged in to the semantics of what is and is not a pedophile but Roy Moore is a lowlife sex pest whom Trump never should have endorsed.
Your subsequent posts went down the line of 'see see, I got you, this one point, that's the problem..... ' and that point was whether Moore is a pedophile or not.
Think about it, your argument in favor of Trump has boiled down to how unfair it is that posters are giving Roy Moore a hard time.
It's a shame because whether I agreed with your points up till then, I was interested to hear your take on Trumps policies.
 
Morning @dholliday
I haven't read all your posts yet but let me give a brief reason why I left this and went to bed.
You seemed concerned that those who don't like trump never give him credit for anything.
We then had a decent back and forth about the merits of some of his policies.
This all came to an abrupt end when I alluded to Moore (not trump) being a pedophile. You seized on this as some sort of example of the modern conversation and how unfair Trump has it. I'm not going to get dragged in to the semantics of what is and is not a pedophile but Roy Moore is a lowlife sex pest whom Trump never should have endorsed.
Your subsequent posts went down the line of 'see see, I got you, this one point, that's the problem..... ' and that point was whether Moore is a pedophile or not.
Think about it, your argument in favor of Trump has boiled down to how unfair it is that posters are giving Roy Moore a hard time.
It's a shame because whether I agreed with your points up till then, I was interested to hear your take on Trumps policies.

Language is a big deal for me (for it affects how people think), it's bigger than any single President's politics. Hence the sheer focus on that one statement you made.

I think we've exhausted that for now. I'll come back to this thread after everyone's had a few more weeks of reposting tweets x
 
Language is a big deal for me (for it affects how people think), it's bigger than any single President's politics. Hence the sheer focus on that one statement you made.

I think we've exhausted that for now. I'll come back to this thread after everyone's had a few more weeks of reposting tweets x
That would be a valid concern had I called Trump a pedophile, but I didn't, I alluded to Roy Moore being a pedophile. A man who was banned from a shopping mall for creeping on young girls.
Trump backed the incumbent in the primary against Moore, Moore was running the most pro Trump platform ever. When Moore won, Trump had a choice, decency or a senate seat, he went for the seat over decency and lost, in Alabama!!!
 
Hey man. You’re welcome to continue your ardent Moore defense. He’s a wrong’un.

I'm defending the principle as you just said something that has no basis in truth. Just because you don't like the man surely that doesn't mean you can take as gospel any old bad story someone says about him?

And round and round the circle goes.

Right, back to this jerky little Everon stream o_O
 
We disagree. There's an election in November. Let's see what happens.
weird response.

What happens in the election has absolutely nothing to do with whether that article is garbage.

Kavanaugh has shown himself to be unfit for the Supreme Court, whether he attempted to rape 0 or 50 women. He’s MORE unfit if he DID, but either way...

Democrats were FAR more upset and angry about Gorsuch filling a stolen Supreme Court seat, and yet he didn’t engender similar accusations.

How odd.
 
I'm defending the principle as you just said something that has no basis in truth. Just because you don't like the man surely that doesn't mean you can take as gospel any old bad story someone says about him?

And round and round the circle goes.

Right, back to this jerky little Everon stream o_O

better a jerky Everton stream than a jerky Everton team... ;)
 
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