Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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That his foreign policy is concentrated on the economical aspects rather than a Rambo-esque 'god-given' right to free & protect the world. He's a businessman. That's a good thing as it should mean less dead foreign civilians when compared to Clinton/Bush/Obama tenures.
With regard to his record v Obama's this is a myth. Obama drew down huge troop numbers from Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump has increased troop numbers in Afghanistan. He seems to take the same line on Syria, Yemen, areas of Africa etc. He has ratcheted up tensions with Iran and Palestine. He has further unsettled the whole ME region by allowing BiBi to rub his belly. He even threatened to invade Venezuela.
Overall Obama had a poor foreign affairs record but you're kidding yourself if you think trumps is any better/cheaper
He's also allowing States to control recreationary drug legislation, which is a good thing as it leaves the door open for a liberal State to actually be liberal.
Again, just continuing Obama era policy. Although the appointment of Sessions as AG actually led to a slowdown in the legalization of recreational drugs as he strictly inforced the federal ban meaning that no legal recreational drug business can hold a bank account or apply for a federal loan. So, Trump has made it harder not easier.
He seems to put a lot of funding into education, and has put steps into place which better prevent colossal student debt.
He's trying to abolish the dept of education and run education from the dept of Labor. Betsy DeVos is hell bent on the promotion of schools with a religious ethos. He has done nothing to curtail 'for profit' financing companies from ripping off students. It's the fastest growing debt in the country and it's exempt from bankruptcy.
He supports Made in America, which is healthy for the US economy & jobs, while also limiting the influence of the incessant Made in China phenomenon which has swept the globe.
He's throwing out the right catch phrases. And his tariffs on China could be a good idea but instead of forming an alliance with other western countries to force China to play fair, he's put tariffs on all of them, this has just alienated the US and made the China task harder.
Our homemade cars are more expensive because of his steel tariffs. It's a bold move and he's not smart enough to win.
Decreased taxes for low-earners.
Which is great, but he's done it at the expense of the middle class and not the wealthy. We're already beginning to see the cuts to social services in order to reign in the massive cost of the corporate tax break. I was all for a reduction in corporate taxes as long as the differences could be made up elsewhere (not the back of the middle class or poor). But he did this at the wrong time. He juiced the economy when it was firing at full throttle. This should have been saved for an economic slowdown, not to massage his ego and make his buddies wealthier.
good try tho.
dholliday
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@Ruairi77 - we're risking delving into the minutia, which I expected. I'll respond just this once but I'm more interested in this key question:
In the view of active posters in this thread, does Trump have any sound policies at all or are they all compromised & damaged in some way?
Ok, here's some responses:
Overall Obama had a poor foreign affairs record but you're kidding yourself if you think trumps is any better/cheaper
It's all about the death tolls. I agree drone strikes have sadly continued under Trump, but that at least his actual focus on economy rather than might is right (despite his rhetoric) may ultimately lead to fewer foreign civilian deaths by the end of his tenure when compared to previous regimes.
He even threatened to invade Venezuela.
Let's focus on his actions, as we know if we focus on his words we're playing to the cult of Trump.
Again, just continuing Obama era drug policy.
So? It's still his policy as it's his administration. Continuing a sound policy is a good thing, no? It's like the arguments about the healthy economy saying that it's merely continuing an upwards trend...let's give the administration credit for at least continuing a good thing (i know it's tempting not to do that as Trump is tooting his own horn a little too much).
He has done nothing to curtail 'for profit' financing companies from ripping off students.
He signed off the Debt Forgiveness Program for students. That's doing something, isnt it?
His tariffs on China could be a good idea but instead of forming an alliance with other western countries to force China to play fair, he's put tariffs on all of them, this has just alienated the US and made the China task harder.
Our homemade cars are more expensive because of his steel tariffs. It's a bold move and he's not smart enough to win.
At least you're grudgingly giving credit to the idea. I'm undecided as to how smart the Trump of today really is. He seemed very smart back in the 80's & 90's, but old age appears to have withered his sharpness. What he's doing tho' can be argued as a smartly-aggressive move, as by including western countries he is forcing them to crack down on loopholes which allow the mass Made in China sellers to skip VAT within EU just because they have a tiny office registered there. It's a welcome crackdown and we arguably have Trump's aggressive policy to thank for it.
Less tax for low-earners is great, but he's done it at the expense of the middle class and not the wealthy.
Yes, because they vastly outnumber the wealthy and have less 'costs' to offset revenue (meaning the middle-class actually pay regular consistent taxes so they're a natural target if wanting to reduce tax for the poor). It's not quite Robin Hood, but it's more sound than not sound, no?
good try tho.
I do try.
In the view of active posters in this thread, does Trump have any sound policies at all or are they all compromised & damaged in some way?
Ok, here's some responses:
Overall Obama had a poor foreign affairs record but you're kidding yourself if you think trumps is any better/cheaper
It's all about the death tolls. I agree drone strikes have sadly continued under Trump, but that at least his actual focus on economy rather than might is right (despite his rhetoric) may ultimately lead to fewer foreign civilian deaths by the end of his tenure when compared to previous regimes.
He even threatened to invade Venezuela.
Let's focus on his actions, as we know if we focus on his words we're playing to the cult of Trump.
Again, just continuing Obama era drug policy.
So? It's still his policy as it's his administration. Continuing a sound policy is a good thing, no? It's like the arguments about the healthy economy saying that it's merely continuing an upwards trend...let's give the administration credit for at least continuing a good thing (i know it's tempting not to do that as Trump is tooting his own horn a little too much).
He has done nothing to curtail 'for profit' financing companies from ripping off students.
He signed off the Debt Forgiveness Program for students. That's doing something, isnt it?
His tariffs on China could be a good idea but instead of forming an alliance with other western countries to force China to play fair, he's put tariffs on all of them, this has just alienated the US and made the China task harder.
Our homemade cars are more expensive because of his steel tariffs. It's a bold move and he's not smart enough to win.
At least you're grudgingly giving credit to the idea. I'm undecided as to how smart the Trump of today really is. He seemed very smart back in the 80's & 90's, but old age appears to have withered his sharpness. What he's doing tho' can be argued as a smartly-aggressive move, as by including western countries he is forcing them to crack down on loopholes which allow the mass Made in China sellers to skip VAT within EU just because they have a tiny office registered there. It's a welcome crackdown and we arguably have Trump's aggressive policy to thank for it.
Less tax for low-earners is great, but he's done it at the expense of the middle class and not the wealthy.
Yes, because they vastly outnumber the wealthy and have less 'costs' to offset revenue (meaning the middle-class actually pay regular consistent taxes so they're a natural target if wanting to reduce tax for the poor). It's not quite Robin Hood, but it's more sound than not sound, no?
good try tho.
I do try.
With regard to death tolls, you’re ignoring what obama inherited from Bush.
On legalizing drugs. He’s made Obama’s policies harder to enforce. Your other points are open to debate however I do think taxing Buffet more than his secretary is a good idea.
dholliday
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Buffet has given away his entire fortune to good causes, give the man a break lol
And again, this "inheritance" thing is a copout. Bush inherited anti-US sentiment from Clinton (Clinton regularly bombed Iraq). We can claim inheritance in all kinds of biased ways, depending on how we want to strengthen or weaken a certain argument. It's cleaner to avoid it and focus on actions of single administrations.
Anyway, what I'm needling at is the inability from some on here to allow one single uncompromised plus-point for Trump. Because if he truly does not have any uncompromised sound policies, then he must be governing for a different planet, as otherwise that would surely be impossible. Human beings aren't that different from one another that two groups (in this case Trump supporters, and the rest) could have totally opposed needs.
If one accepts that he does indeed have some good points, then we get into the question as to why the antis never give him credit for them while the focus on the negativity for his bad points is permanently dialled up to 11. Turning down that dial and switching to another tape might...you know...bring these two groups together somewhat and calm the reactive cycle of you stink! no, you stink! Wouldn't that be desirable?
The answer I fear is "no, it's not desirable to come together with bad nazis". So the cycle continues...yet people still aren't that wildly different to each other despite all the name-calling, despite this dirty cycle.
It's the psychology of the anti-Trump cult I'm getting at...it's always been my thing here. @mezzrow gets it, sometimes I think you do too. It's much more interesting than the pro-Trump cult as the antis claim to be liberal open-minded types whereas the pros never hide their conservatism.
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lol Funniest thing I've read all day
Thing is, he’s had a few good ideas / policies.
Reducing corporate tax
Talking to kim
Trying to reign in China’s underhanded trading.
The problem is he makes a mess of executing them.
When you stack all his bad policies up they vastly out number the good, sprinkle in support for pedos and sex offenders, mix with some xenophobia and racism and hey presto - the worst president ever.
dholliday
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wtf? link, please
Roy Moore.
Any president that says the free press is the enemy of the American people is an astoundingly bad leader.
dholliday
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I'm not seeing any link that Trump is supporting a paedophile. The most I've found is that Roy Moore has allegations of sexual misconduct made against him by then 14 & 16 year old (and older) girls...misconduct which allegedly took place 40 years ago when he was a man in his 20's, which would make the accusers now grown women in their 50's.
- sexual attraction to 14-16 year old girls isn't paedophilia, nor even a sexual paraphilia. Paedophilia is the paraphilic sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. It is one of the worst things in the world that you can accuse a person of being. A grown man attracted to teenage post-pubescent girls is an ephebophile. It's not a paraphilia, tho' it is socially unacceptable in Western societies, and illegal in many countries if sexually acted upon. I would agree any person who is acting out ephebophilia to the discomfort of teenage girls is automatically in the moral wrong and deserves all the flak. But firstly he's still not a paedophile (which is a whole other level of morally bad...like the difference between assault & murder), and secondly we'd have to be sure he's guilty before throwing the flak at him, otherwise anyone could make similar allegations...and what a mess that would be!
- allegations were made, no charges were brought. Innocent until proven guilty (see also Kavanaugh!).
- Trump accepted Moore's denials (who is now suing against defamation of character) - as no charges were brought this seems reasonable.
@Ruairi77 - assuming you were referring to Moore - it's time for my word-of-the-month again...this is a macrocosm of what's going on in how the Left see Trump. your conflating the above to mean "Trump is supporting paedophiles" is arguably more of a problem than any Trump policy. When we zoom out from the macrocosm and see hundreds-of-thousands of similar exaggerated defamations it's absolutely clear yous cannot consider yourselves in the moral right.
I'm interested what you think you gain by defaming Trump to the point that you're saying he supports paedophiles (despite that being far from the truth). You already have the agreement of your echo chamber, so you're not gaining anything there. Why do you do it? With crap like this the #resist movement loses credibility, and the pro-Trump lot feel vindicated.
Language is important. When we broaded the definition of something, the harsher end of it is softened. When alleged clumsy gropers of young women are called "paedo" then he's weighted the same as an actual paedo. The alleged groper's loss is the paedophile's gain.
So stop it! We don't want this to happen with words like paedophile, racist, nazi as these are bad terrible things and they need to stay that way.
Hahaha, you’re defending Roy Moore. Ahahaha ooooh haha
Do another one
What about nazis. Let me guess, the lads at Charlottesville didn’t fight in ww2 so they weren’t nazis.
And grabbing by the [Poor language removed] refers to domestic pet control!
Do another one
What about nazis. Let me guess, the lads at Charlottesville didn’t fight in ww2 so they weren’t nazis.
And grabbing by the [Poor language removed] refers to domestic pet control!
dholliday
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I'm defending the principle. Nice one trying to avoid the point. Will you continue to use the "Trump is supporting paedos" line?
I see this could go on forever. Night man, enjoy the Fulham game tomorrow.
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