Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Careful Dan the couple of people who say you are unfair on Trump will probably post soon and tell you once again how unfair you are haha!!

meh, i'm not a fan of the incessant anti-Trump obsessions of half the world as i think it's unhealthy & counter-productive, and i do believe Trump has some sound policies (and some bad ones too!)...but there's no denying the sheer simplistic nonsense that comes out of his mouth. That his crowd lap it up regardless reminds me again of South Park who had this phenomenon down with young Timmy! only needing to shout his name to receive the adulation of the crowd.

So it's something that pre-dates Trump, but the Donald is killing it.

Having said that, W Bush was also pretty terrible, let's not forget...we the world found it incredible this man who could barely string a sentence together was actual US President. Not long before him Reagan's final couple of years were pretty messy.

The Democrats have spoilt us with expert orators like Clinton & Obama.
 
meh, i'm not a fan of the incessant anti-Trump obsessions of half the world as i think it's unhealthy & counter-productive, and i do believe Trump has some sound policies (and some bad ones too!)...but there's no denying the sheer simplistic nonsense that comes out of his mouth. That his crowd lap it up regardless reminds me again of South Park who had this phenomenon down with young Timmy! only needing to shout his name to receive the adulation of the crowd.

So it's something that pre-dates Trump, but the Donald is killing it.

Having said that, W Bush was also pretty terrible, let's not forget...we the world found it incredible this man who could barely string a sentence together was actual US President. Not long before him Reagan's final couple of years were pretty messy.

The Democrats have spoilt us with expert orators like Clinton & Obama.

In your own words..... Meh!!

You know, you could just not look at the thread if it's not your cup of tea instead of calling people out for the content they post. You weren't even debating with them or going back and forth on a point you simply decided to throw shade as the kids would say.
 
In your own words..... Meh!!

You know, you could just not look at the thread if it's not your cup of tea instead of calling people out for the content they post. You weren't even debating with them or going back and forth on a point you simply decided to throw shade as the kids would say.

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I think what he's saying is that if you don't agree with the majority view expressed here, kindly shut up unless you have a perfect argument. That's what I read. I'm used to that. Don't post much here anymore, and that's fine with most here. Now and then I can't help myself.

Today is Agincourt. Who has the armor? Who has the longbow? Stay tuned. Mark the date. Amazing that someone as repellent as Trump could be so successful. Maybe that ends today. Will his fractious Senate hold?
 
I think what he's saying is that if you don't agree with the majority view expressed here, kindly shut up unless you have a perfect argument. That's what I read.

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Nope you are wrong thats not what i am saying.

You normally post some good stuff and whether i agree with you i have no issue with your posts even if you did evade my question about ford in the other thread.

I have no issue with you at all as unlike the small few that come in here to clearly try bait the left you are not one of them.

Now he purposely came in here " picked a page at random" and called out people for their negative posts about trump. How is that helpful or a hardy debate and he is someone who normally is good for that.
 
Nope you are wrong thats not what i am saying.

You normally post some good stuff and whether i agree with you i have no issue with your posts even if you did evade my question about ford in the other thread.

I have no issue with you at all as unlike the small few that come in here to clearly try bait the left you are not one of them.

Now he purposely came in here " picked a page at random" and called out people for their negative posts about trump. How is that helpful or a hardy debate and he is someone who normally is good for that.

So is this thread only for ‘the left’, or can anyone post......
 
I think what he's saying is that if you don't agree with the majority view expressed here, kindly shut up unless you have a perfect argument. That's what I read. I'm used to that. Don't post much here anymore, and that's fine with most here. Now and then I can't help myself.

Today is Agincourt. Who has the armor? Who has the longbow? Stay tuned. Mark the date. Amazing that someone as repellent as Trump could be so successful. Maybe that ends today. Will his fractious Senate hold?

This isn’t what he said and you are taking the easy, childish, way out. Stand up and defend what you believe in. But if that entails defending a racist corrupt sexually-harassing incompetent fool then so be it. But don’t cry foul when people call you out for sympathizing with such an individual, because such sympathizing certainly speaks to your own principles not just Trump’s.

Folks here like Pete and dholliday et al., like to pick and choose what they like about Trump while also deriding him. That’s fine, but such a view entails that they are tacitly endorsing the baddest of Trump’s behaviors—and there are a lot of very bad behaviors, unlike any previous US president—in order to support their favorite Trumpian stance, whatever that may be.

To some, it seems that Trump’s so-far-ineffective policy on North Korea or his non-existent border wall (or any other particular position) are somehow so important that these outweigh his myriad and easily-documented horrible qualities such as his racism, sexism, corruption, etc. This is morally-corrupted logic.

Some horrible human psychopaths love dogs but I don’t find that redeeming enough to even remotely praise them for it. Because of Trump, kids are being forcibly separated from their parents on our southern border—“but hey, did you see that Trump had a meeting with Kim Jong Un...that’s just what we need!”
 
the small few that come in here to clearly try bait the left

haha so questioning dodgy thinking is "baiting the Left" now.

It's like you want "the Left" (whatever that is) to be immune from criticism as any criticism of it must be trolling. I've got an idea: take power from the government via a coup then ban all criticism of your doctrine.


Folks here like Pete and dholliday et al., like to pick and choose what they like about Trump while also deriding him. That’s fine, but such a view entails that they are tacitly endorsing the baddest of Trump’s behavior

What a load of crap! Endorsing? What a laughable abuse of language. Again, it harks back to this: you're either with us or against us doctrin. It's utterly feeble and simple-minded thinking...i'm flabbergasted so many apparently-educated types go in for it.

These black & white logic-limiters are a massive issue as debate goes nowhere, which means realistic solutions to problems don't even get worked on. It suits only back-slapping echo-chambers...which are highly-addictive (like slot machines, they light up the dopamine-reward part of the brain as the likes flow in after every echo-chambery post).

Thankfully most of us are able to form complex opinions about things: where negative, positive and neutral opinions about the same subject abound...whatever whole they form isn't necessarily dependent on whatever the worst negative things might be. Anyone reading my posts about Trump properly would see my overall opinion is that he's a necessary hiccup, a spanner in the works, who will ultimately be defined by the reactions to him: in effect, it's you who's at fault for him being a damaging idiot.

And if you think that's me endorsing his worst behaviour then there's no way I can make you understand otherwise.


Just curious, what are some of Trump's "sound policies" in your mind?


Do yous find it impossible to consider that Trump, a US President, has any sound policies at all? Are you that anti that you think all his hundreds of policies are automatically unsound? Can he do no right?

The Cult of Personality around him is so intense that either he's God's own American Saviour or he's an irredeemable demon from Satan's arsehole.

Why can't he be just a President who has some good & bad points like any other? Because honestly that's all he is, despite his comically-insane public profile.

Judge Trump on his actions, not on his words. Some actions are bad, judge them. Some are not that bad, judge them too. It's only fair. And healthy.


If you're still interested, some of his sound policies are:

That his foreign policy is concentrated on the economical aspects rather than a Rambo-esque 'god-given' right to free & protect the world. He's a businessman. That's a good thing as it should mean less dead foreign civilians when compared to Clinton/Bush/Obama tenures.

He's also allowing States to control recreationary drug legislation, which is a good thing as it leaves the door open for a liberal State to actually be liberal.

He seems to put a lot of funding into education, and has put steps into place which better prevent colossal student debt.

He supports Made in America, which is healthy for the US economy & jobs, while also limiting the influence of the incessant Made in China phenomenon which has swept the globe.

Decreased taxes for low-earners.


There's bound to be more if I care to look. Now you can argue the toss whether the detail behind these policies are actually working as desired, but that's a pretty detailed discussion and it'll get to the point where we're splitting hairs just because you don't want to admit some of his policies are actually...sound.



I too am curious what the in no way sexist, definitely left leaning Man likes about Trump

Yes, I'm actually a sexist rabid rightwinger pretending to be a lefty...that's the only explanation for me not categorically hating every single thing about Trump.


@everyone: my focus isn't Trump himself, what I analyse is the reaction to him from what is ostensibly my side of the fence (as believe it or not I'm from the liberal-left side of the spectrum). It's grimly fascinating and there'll be many books written about it.


I was going to ask the same question but decided to swerve another pointless back and forth.

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haha so questioning dodgy thinking is "baiting the Left" now.

It's like you want "the Left" (whatever that is) to be immune from criticism as any criticism of it must be trolling. I've got an idea: take power from the government via a coup then ban all criticism of your doctrine.


Come off it this is not about the left or right. When you enter a thread frequented by a majority who have a good back and forth and you call two people out for no reason by "choosing a random page" its baiting.

I nevere said the left are immune in fact if you read the entire thread and not just "random pages" you will see one of the people you called out is critical of the left as are many in there.

The problem is it seems there are a few off you on here who seem to take exception of people who are left leaning and their views and then play victim when we call you out or you offer some dumb analogy or justification
 
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