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[PhilM]

true, although laws in Massachusetts are pretty strict. No guns in wallmarts here
Our politicians are freaking because the downloadable gun would undo a lot of good work on gun control. (this prob belongs in the 'shooting' thread)
Here's one of our senators with a pretty chilling tweet.

I wonder what would the longevity be on these type of guns as the forces placed on the hammer, breech and firing pin from firing is immense.

 

[MrPerfectNot]

I wonder what would the longevity be on these type of guns as the forces placed on the hammer, breech and firing pin from firing is immense.

I don't think they're looked at as a long term investment or as a valued legacy to hand to your kids.

But as items that can be smuggled into courthouses, onto planes, any place that has metal detectors - they are a tremendous risk.

 

[Ruairi77]

I wonder what would the longevity be on these type of guns as the forces placed on the hammer, breech and firing pin from firing is immense.

no idea but it looks like only part of that gun is printed. I'd imagine that there's probably as much chance of blowing your own head off as someone elses!

 

[verreauxi]

well, it took a while but here it is. The president has tweeted something I agree with!!

Would be great if he could actually do something about this.

 

[verreauxi]

no idea but it looks like only part of that gun is printed. I'd imagine that there's probably as much chance of blowing your own head off as someone elses!

I seem to recall reading somewhere that these guns actually are not as big of a threat as made out to be (though they still should be banned) from a 3D printer expert, due to the very very high likelihood of failure.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[MrPerfectNot]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that these guns actually are not as big of a threat as made out to be (though they still should be banned) from a 3D printer expert, due to the very very high likelihood of failure.

And if they are legal and accepted, they'll be improved over time, in terms of design and materials. It's not a good long term scenario.

 

[tsubaki]

And if they are legal and accepted, they'll be improved over time, in terms of design and materials. It's not a good long term scenario.

TBH I think its a bit of a red herring, at least over there - guns are that freely available that you'd have to be a complete fool to pay the tens of thousands a 3d printer would cost, print a handgun and then use it for a slaying when you could just pay a grand and have an AR-15, loads of ammo and be reasonably sure it wouldn't blow your thumb off when you tried to fire it.

Over here it would be a bit more of a concern, though even then you could print the gun easily but making the ammunition would be a lot more difficult - we would probably see idiots trying to fire shotgun rounds from the things.

 

[SteveSC]

TBH I think its a bit of a red herring, at least over there - guns are that freely available that you'd have to be a complete fool to pay the tens of thousands a 3d printer would cost, print a handgun and then use it for a slaying when you could just pay a grand and have an AR-15, loads of ammo and be reasonably sure it wouldn't blow your thumb off when you tried to fire it.

Over here it would be a bit more of a concern, though even then you could print the gun easily but making the ammunition would be a lot more difficult - we would probably see idiots trying to fire shotgun rounds from the things.

3d printers are not super expensive anymore. There are still high grade high end ones that will cost you tens of thousands but you can get them relatively cheaper nowadays.

They have even made them cheaper again by coming up with DIY 3d printer kits. You can buy books and all of the parts online. Other than your own time you can build one for a fraction of the cost.

 

[MrPerfectNot]

TBH I think its a bit of a red herring, at least over there - guns are that freely available that you'd have to be a complete fool to pay the tens of thousands a 3d printer would cost, print a handgun and then use it for a slaying when you could just pay a grand and have an AR-15, loads of ammo and be reasonably sure it wouldn't blow your thumb off when you tried to fire it.

Over here it would be a bit more of a concern, though even then you could print the gun easily but making the ammunition would be a lot more difficult - we would probably see idiots trying to fire shotgun rounds from the things.

Just checking to see if you read my post? Think about where they can be smuggled into - places that a metal gun cant easily be brought into.

Per 3DPrintingIndustry.com, approx half a million 3D printers were purchased in 2017 - that number will go up and up. This technology is quickly moving beyond early adopters and will be present in industries throughout the US. You'll see hospital units using them for occasionally ordered disposables (specialty syringes, blade holders, etc.) and implants (custom knee cups for artificial legs), everyday businesses using them to print replacement parts for ink or laser printers and replacement parts for a broken keyboard, and facility management groups printing off all sorts of useful things they would previously have ordered from a supplier. High schools and colleges will have them easily accessible on campuses - even easier for a student who wants to engage in some kind of attack.

I fear this will become a very big thing.

 

[tsubaki]

Just checking to see if you read my post? Think about where they can be smuggled into - places that a metal gun cant easily be brought into.

Per 3DPrintingIndustry.com, approx half a million 3D printers were purchased in 2017 - that number will go up and up. This technology is quickly moving beyond early adopters and will be present in industries throughout the US. You'll see hospital units using them for occasionally ordered disposables (specialty syringes, blade holders, etc.) and implants (custom knee cups for artificial legs), everyday businesses using them to print replacement parts for ink or laser printers and replacement parts for a broken keyboard, and facility management groups printing off all sorts of useful things they would previously have ordered from a supplier. High schools and colleges will have them easily accessible on campuses - even easier for a student who wants to engage in some kind of attack.

I fear this will become a very big thing.

3d printers are not super expensive anymore. There are still high grade high end ones that will cost you tens of thousands but you can get them relatively cheaper nowadays.

They have even made them cheaper again by coming up with DIY 3d printer kits. You can buy books and all of the parts online. Other than your own time you can build one for a fraction of the cost.

The gun may be plastic, but the bullets won't be - they'd probably still set metal detectors off once they are loaded.

They do pose a risk to high security areas - though one would think most of those (airports, prisons) have body scanners as well as metal detectors anyway - but in terms of extra risk over and above what is normally present in the US they are not that much of a change. In fact you can probably make an argument that someone 3d printing a gun might give far more warning of a mass shooting that someone nicking his dad's gun collection would.

 

[MrPerfectNot]

The gun may be plastic, but the bullets won't be - they'd probably still set metal detectors off once they are loaded.

They do pose a risk to high security areas - though one would think most of those (airports, prisons) have body scanners as well as metal detectors anyway - but in terms of extra risk over and above what is normally present in the US they are not that much of a change. In fact you can probably make an argument that someone 3d printing a gun might give far more warning of a mass shooting that someone nicking his dad's gun collection would.

Plastic bullets and casings are already commercially available.

I think you are looking at the threat as it exists today, not thinking how quickly it can evolve.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is the best defence that Manafort could come up with?!

 

[SteveSC]

The gun may be plastic, but the bullets won't be - they'd probably still set metal detectors off once they are loaded.

They do pose a risk to high security areas - though one would think most of those (airports, prisons) have body scanners as well as metal detectors anyway - but in terms of extra risk over and above what is normally present in the US they are not that much of a change. In fact you can probably make an argument that someone 3d printing a gun might give far more warning of a mass shooting that someone nicking his dad's gun collection would.

Oh i agree with your points now and in your last post. I was just making the comment that they are not as expensive to get your hands on anymore.

I think now that they are on the radar buying parts for 3D printers may be now scrutinized which has happened before in this country. They won't scrutinize guns and ammo but they will with technology they do not trust.

Well here's hoping.