Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Yoda]

I don't think that is how trade surpluses work. You can have a huge trade surplus and the economy can still enter into recessions.

More importantly, I'm not seeing how Trump's tariff on Chinese steel is going to have knock-on effects, as you claimed, that will result in the opening of steel foundries here in the USA. I am not seeing the steps to how this works. Instead, what I see is trade-war, in which American consumers are hurt by high prices and American agriculture is hurt by tariffs. How is this "beneficial" to the US citizens?

Your first point is correct it’s basically the countries “BANK ACCOUNT” I meant. To be honest I don’t know Norway’s Trading for last couple of years. But OCCFM have it running around the same, but then again they’re not exactly the best forecasters just like our own forecasters who are always out by a few percent(the OBR and PWC)

 

[Yoda]

I don't think that is how trade surpluses work. You can have a huge trade surplus and the economy can still enter into recessions.

More importantly, I'm not seeing how Trump's tariff on Chinese steel is going to have knock-on effects, as you claimed, that will result in the opening of steel foundries here in the USA. I am not seeing the steps to how this works. Instead, what I see is trade-war, in which American consumers are hurt by high prices and American agriculture is hurt by tariffs. How is this "beneficial" to the US citizens?

Is okay for you to ignore the financial position of this country though when I’ve used it as an example, or do blinkers just come on? And you totally ignore the true facts to suit your own agenda l??

 

[verreauxi]

Is okay for you to ignore the financial position of this country though when I’ve used it as an example, or do blinkers just come on? And you totally ignore the true facts to suit your own agenda l??

Your response makes no sense. What "financial position" are you talking about and what am I ignoring?

You claimed that Trump's stance on tariffs will be beneficial to the American citizens. Specifically, you claimed that Trump's tariffs will be "helping certain American companies and helping employment of its citizens. Long term strategy opening up derelict factories, plants, yards etc. And getting re employment of highly skilled Americans hopefully having a big knock in effect helping some down trodden communities that have been left to waste and rot away..."

I asked you to trace the steps of how a trade war with China (which is exactly what Trump's tariffs are going to cause) is going to do this, since that is exactly who Trump is constantly targeting in his agenda.

My previous post which triggered your side-stepping accusatory response was entirely reasonable.

And instead of responding to my post you accuse me of being blinkered and ignoring facts. This is why I presumed (now, I can confirm, correctly) when you came into this thread with all your bizarre name-calling that you are not a serious poster.

 

[SteveSC]

Yeah saw this last year, still experimental but it did turn my head. Maybe 15 yrs away but I can see it coming into the mainstream

Nope it closer tha you think as are many other places trump is claiming to save jobs in are to having no actual employees other that support crew for the equipment.

How do i know well i consult in IT specifically in automation. The company i mainly work for has put many people out of work in variouse fields due to the tech we have implemented.

The company by no means has amazons wealth nor their resources. Its why it makes me laugh when i see people hanging on trumps words about jobs in dying industries.

Most of the meetings i have been in with owners of companies all they want to know is how much it will save long term, how much more they can produce and does it mean they can run 24/7 without having to worry about labor laws etc...

Without telling you who i work with or industries mainly, If you want to do your own research or dont believe me look up the healthcare industry specifically pharmacies this will give youn taste of were things are headed.

The only thing holding amazon back is filling the shelves quick enough in the amazon go whole foods stores once they figure that out they will be 100 live and it will work.

 

[ilikecheese]

The only thing holding amazon back is filling the shelves quick enough in the amazon go whole foods stores once they figure that out they will be 100 live and it will work.

Make no mistake this will be an automated task as well. I suspect a Whole Foods will be reduced to about 5, maybe 10 FT employees in the near future.

Training the customer comfortably will take time.

 

[ilikecheese]

It's like @Yoda thinks a fella like Jeff Bezos is in business for the common man, or a billionaire like Trump who is dog poor by comparison.

Bezos is worth something like 140 billion.

 

[ilikecheese]

Continuing with Amazon and the irony of Jeff Bezos' world.

Amazon started as an online bookstore. It's was a financial disaster for years, but venture capitalists kept throwing money at it because it would eventually make money. Indeed it did.

It basically destroyed traditional chains like Borders, Barnes & Noble, B Dalton Booksellers, and a few others. Amazon bankrupted these national chains at the end of the day.

Fast forward to a couple of years ago, and *poof* a super rich retailer called Amazon opened a store in University Village here in Seattle called Amazon Books. They now have 13 'brick and mortar' locations and are expanding.

It's brilliant and pretty scary at the same time. Deregulation only helps these actions.

 

[summerisle]

Aping his leader.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Continuing with Amazon and the irony of Jeff Bezos' world.

Amazon started as an online bookstore. It's was a financial disaster for years, but venture capitalists kept throwing money at it because it would eventually make money. Indeed it did.

It basically destroyed traditional chains like Borders, Barnes & Noble, B Dalton Booksellers, and a few others. Amazon bankrupted these national chains at the end of the day.

Fast forward to a couple of years ago, and *poof* a super rich retailer called Amazon opened a store in University Village here in Seattle called Amazon Books. They now have 13 'brick and mortar' locations and are expanding.

It's brilliant and pretty scary at the same time. Deregulation only helps these actions.

Are you blaming Donald Trump for the success of Amazon?

 

[ilikecheese]

Are you blaming Donald Trump for the success of Amazon?

Of course....







...not.

It's mostly wildly off topic. However, I felt it somewhat relevant in the direction the conversation was going about bringing dead jobs back. MAGA sort of stuff that will never happen.

 

[Ruairi77]

Here's Schwarzenegger on bringing dead jobs back
It's cheesy as hell but makes a good point

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Aping his leader.

To be fair, his sign doesn't say "Communicate via the written word in English". Just speak it

 

[verreauxi]

G.M. Says New Wave of Trump Tariffs Could Force U.S. Job Cuts

General Motors warned Friday that if President Trump pushed ahead with another wave of tariffs, the move could backfire, leading to “less investment, fewer jobs and lower wages” for its employees.
The automaker said that the president’s threat to impose tariffs on imports of cars and car parts — along with an earlier spate of penalties — could drive vehicle prices up by thousands of dollars. The “hardest hit” cars, General Motors said in comments submitted to the Commerce Department, are likely to be the ones bought by consumers who can least afford an increase. Demand would suffer and production would slow, all of which “could lead to a smaller G.M.”

more here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/business/automakers-tariffs-job-cuts.html

 

[verreauxi]

The conservative political machine runs on outrage

[excerpted section below]
There was no organized campaign to destroy Uncle Loui's Café. Actually, nothing much seems to have befallen these nice people at all. But Fox News can't have that. It covers the left like it is some kind of Borg-like hive-mind, whose every move is plotted and orchestrated by distant elites determined to humiliate and condescend to white people in the "heartland." In my very short time on Fox News at Night with Shannon Bream (who was relentlessly pleasant to me, both on and off air), I was asked whether recent evidence of incivility proves that the left is "desperate." The prompt could have been anything — a random campus protest, a mistaken tweet from a New Yorker writer, an impolite protest against Trump administration officials. It didn't matter. Any outrage would do.

The point is this: The right's outrage politics need no sustenance. It's like a virus, and you are the host. If the Red Hen restaurant didn't exist, Fox News would find something else, for without a constant supply of minor slights and puffed-up grievances to convey to their aging white viewers, what exactly would happen on this network 24 hours a day? The mission of Fox News and its ilk is to scour this enormous country every day for something that will keep its viewers in a constant state of spittle-flecked fury.


[the whole article is a decent read]
more here:
http://theweek.com/articles/781084/conservative-political-machine-runs-outrage

 

[Yoda]

Hopefully this link works I think it shows the intolerance of the hardleft for trump supporters and it’s pretty disgusting. It goes back to an earlier post of mine about establishments refusing to serve people connected with Trump. There is some bad language so I don’t know if a mod can alter the link?