Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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mezzrow said:
"The Republican Party as it exists needs to be destroyed. It needs to be cut out of American politics like one would excise a particularly threatening tumor." - some imaginary Donald Trump, June 2015. Trump trained as a young man with Roy Cohn. If you don't know the name, look him up. Cohn taught him the skills he needed to be the man he is today. Here what he's done to the Republican Party. They'll let you get away it with as long as you're winning. He's on a winning streak.

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Genuinely not sure whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me with all that - though I could hazard a guess. (and yes I know who Roy Cohn is ffs).
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
Genuinely not sure whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me with all that - though I could hazard a guess. (and yes I know who Roy Cohn is ffs).
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The party exists as a structure, and they're ready to be driven by anybody that can win. The same is true for the Democrats. The party that existed four years ago is basically gone, and it will be whatever Trump leaves behind when he's gone. People talk about ideology, but things are more transactional these days than we'd like to admit.
 
mezzrow said:
Apologies. There are youngsters all over the place these days who don;t know Roy Cohn from Judge Roy Bean.
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Not sure what qualifies as “youngster” (I’m 36), but not sure how relevant age is to whether you’re familiar with that a**hole or not.
 
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mezzrow said:
The party exists as a structure, and they're ready to be driven by anybody that can win. The same is true for the Democrats. The party that existed four years ago is basically gone, and it will be whatever Trump leaves behind when he's gone. People talk about ideology, but things are more transactional these days than we'd like to admit.
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Whether you’re right or wrong (and I think it’s part of each) it doesn’t alter the fact that THIS iteration needs to be defeated up and down the ballot. It’s an insidious force with little to no redeeming features.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
Not sure what qualifies as “youngster” (I’m 36), but not sure how relevant age is to whether you’re familiar with that cretin or not.
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There you go confusing evil with stupidity once more. Cohn was a virtuoso of evil. His life was stupid and silly, but he was devastatingly good at what he did. He got what he wanted, it's just hard to imagine wanting what he wanted.
 
mezzrow said:
The party exists as a structure, and they're ready to be driven by anybody that can win. The same is true for the Democrats. The party that existed four years ago is basically gone, and it will be whatever Trump leaves behind when he's gone. People talk about ideology, but things are more transactional these days than we'd like to admit.
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What do you mean 'transactional'?
I don't think the GOP of 4 years ago is gone, I think it's been continually mutating for decades.
Is this not just the inevitable next step from the tea party in 2010 which was the next step after Gingrich in the 90's which probably came about after Reagan killing the fairness doctrine in the 80's.
The republican party has been on the path to this for 35 years.
It's time for straight thinking republicans to stand up, own the mess and try to fix it.
 
mezzrow said:
There you go confusing evil with stupidity once more. Cohn was a virtuoso of evil. His life was stupid and silly, but he was devastatingly good at what he did. He got what he wanted, it's just hard to imagine wanting what he wanted.
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i was using cretin in the commonly used (but yes, technically incorrect) way to just mean a generally unpleasant person.

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Ruairi77 said:
What do you mean 'transactional'?
I don't think the GOP of 4 years ago is gone, I think it's been continually mutating for decades.
Is this not just the inevitable next step from the tea party in 2010 which was the next step after Gingrich in the 90's which probably came about after Reagan killing the fairness doctrine in the 80's.
The republican party has been on the path to this for 35 years.
It's time for straight thinking republicans to stand up, own the mess and try to fix it.
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Exactly.

Trump isn’t the disease, he’s just the most unpleasant symptom.
 
Ruairi77 said:
What do you mean 'transactional'?
I don't think the GOP of 4 years ago is gone, I think it's been continually mutating for decades.
Is this not just the inevitable next step from the tea party in 2010 which was the next step after Gingrich in the 90's which probably came about after Reagan killing the fairness doctrine in the 80's.
The republican party has been on the path to this for 35 years.
It's time for straight thinking republicans to stand up, own the mess and try to fix it.
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There's going to be a solid core of never-Trumpers through this whole process, but they're about as relevant these days as George Will. I'm in my sixties, and we're having a solid reprise of the kinds of political madness we saw in the late 60's/early 70's. The situation is fluid. I hold with the Strunk/Howe generational view of why this is happening now. Republicans think they are having the best day they've had since Reagan.
 
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