tommye
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Sorry mate. Lost me at cnn...
Donald Trump for President Thread
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abelard
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you're right, they are literally lying about the popular vote totals, widely available on a million different websites.
the post that shows even a stopped decadent effete organic artisanal liberal clock still tells the correct time twice a day
The Esk
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I've not forgotten my roots although today I'm not really affected by any change of government or policy.
I say what I say because I can remember being 16 and seeing my Dad thrown on the scrap heap at the age of 50 (having worked for the same company for 28 years) and he never worked full time again for the rest of his life.
Why? Because in 79 and afterwards there was a political/intellectual experiment brought about by Thatcher following Minford's experiment of monetarism. It destroyed a generation and many generations to come.
Now people can argue that recent government's globally have done little to help the 'little people' but the question I ask is why is the new paradigm espoused by Brexit and Trump going to be any better for the very people who voted for it/them when there is no evidence to support the claim, and no evidence that the people behind the claims care about the people whom have just voted for them.
Personally my job is done in supporting myself and my family so I have no skin in the game, but I have children and I have a concern for future generations.
There's nothing I see in the near future economically or politically that shows people are going to be better off - and the future for minorities in society are even less attractive.
Just because we don't like the present, people have walked into the future blind and put their trust in people and systems totally unproven (at best) and on the balance of probabilities deeply damaging to the well being of those that voted for it.
Cleaning the couch is a self-reinforcing activity. You're a lucky man, and clearly fitter than your avatar might indicate.
Best to the mrs. M.
terry nodder
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My bulging quads and mental fortitude have got me out of many a sticky situation I can tell you
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I think that is the issue though Esk, people are so fed up with the crap they have been fed for so long by the same politicians etc that they are now in a position where they will blindly expect anything other than what they are getting right at this moment in time. They just want change, rightly or wrongly, for better or worse. There is no deep long term thought process, just a clear desire to shift from the usual same old self serving politicians and policies.
abelard
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http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13572172/donald-trump-white-working-class
the conservative vision: only by utterly degrading and humiliating the poor, denying them access to health, education, home-ownership, vacations, work-place dignity, scheduling consistency, bargaining rights, the ability to live debt-free or beyond the next paycheck, can you motivate them to stop being lazy and indulgent, and to get off the couch to found the next Apple or Google
the conservative vision: only by utterly degrading and humiliating the poor, denying them access to health, education, home-ownership, vacations, work-place dignity, scheduling consistency, bargaining rights, the ability to live debt-free or beyond the next paycheck, can you motivate them to stop being lazy and indulgent, and to get off the couch to found the next Apple or Google
abelard
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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/trump-election-whites-working-class-rust-belt/
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A fear-mongering, race-baiting, predatory Islamophobe has won the White House. I formed my first impressions of Donald Trump listening to a talk by Yusef Salam, one of the Central Park 5. Donald Trump used his inheritance to demand their lynching. He will soon become the most powerful man in the world. Say no more.
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Yet leftists are forever trying to change the world, in various ways; let us understand it, first. My newsfeed is full of injunctions to organize. Absolutely. But to organize, we should learn the right lessons from this debacle. And to learn the right lessons, we need the right explanations.
3.
White supremacy does not explain Trump’s victory, unless all we mean by “white supremacy” is that Trump, like every president before him, was carried to the White House by white people. All Klansmen are Trump supporters, but all Trump supporters are not Klansmen. The one-fact summary of this election is the defection of Rust Belt whites without a college degree. Fifty-odd years ago they were voting for LBJ. Today, left behind by globalization, capital flight, and technical change, they’ve lashed out at the establishment, defending their past (and their welfare state) against assault by any number of scapegoats: China, immigrants, black people. Their fathers had great jobs; they want that world back. The elephant’s trunk has had its revenge.
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Misogyny does not explain Trump’s victory. 42 percent of women voted for him. Maybe a few were motivated to do so by his sexism, but surely most chose to ignore it. The costs of voting for a predatory, anti-choice sleazeball were outweighed by the benefits of sticking it to the man. If you cannot understand that choice (and I confess I cannot), you have probably not lived through what they have.
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Stupidity and ignorance do not explain Trump’s victory. These people no longer trust milquetoast liberals, and why should they? Nativism is less establishment, more radical, more promising. Of course Trump won’t bring back the jobs — not from overseas, not from immigrants. But to defeat him we needed a bold, different agenda for those whose world has crumbled over thirty years. They are not the wretched of the earth; far from it. But they’ve lived a miserable few decades, and they’re angry. Instead, liberalism fought Trump with the sweet-nothings of an impeccable insider.
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Establishment liberalism has no answer because Democrats live in a parallel universe. They are perched on the tip of the elephant’s trunk, where it’s not thirty years of factory closings and opiate addiction, but Uber and stock options.
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Yet if the Left writes off Trump’s base, we too have no answer. All the socialist POC in the country can’t fill a football stadium, much less put Humpty Dumpty back together again. In the main, we live in universities and/or in blue-state bastions. If organizing means nothing more than doubling down, we are in trouble.
1.
A fear-mongering, race-baiting, predatory Islamophobe has won the White House. I formed my first impressions of Donald Trump listening to a talk by Yusef Salam, one of the Central Park 5. Donald Trump used his inheritance to demand their lynching. He will soon become the most powerful man in the world. Say no more.
2.
Yet leftists are forever trying to change the world, in various ways; let us understand it, first. My newsfeed is full of injunctions to organize. Absolutely. But to organize, we should learn the right lessons from this debacle. And to learn the right lessons, we need the right explanations.
3.
White supremacy does not explain Trump’s victory, unless all we mean by “white supremacy” is that Trump, like every president before him, was carried to the White House by white people. All Klansmen are Trump supporters, but all Trump supporters are not Klansmen. The one-fact summary of this election is the defection of Rust Belt whites without a college degree. Fifty-odd years ago they were voting for LBJ. Today, left behind by globalization, capital flight, and technical change, they’ve lashed out at the establishment, defending their past (and their welfare state) against assault by any number of scapegoats: China, immigrants, black people. Their fathers had great jobs; they want that world back. The elephant’s trunk has had its revenge.
4.
Misogyny does not explain Trump’s victory. 42 percent of women voted for him. Maybe a few were motivated to do so by his sexism, but surely most chose to ignore it. The costs of voting for a predatory, anti-choice sleazeball were outweighed by the benefits of sticking it to the man. If you cannot understand that choice (and I confess I cannot), you have probably not lived through what they have.
5.
Stupidity and ignorance do not explain Trump’s victory. These people no longer trust milquetoast liberals, and why should they? Nativism is less establishment, more radical, more promising. Of course Trump won’t bring back the jobs — not from overseas, not from immigrants. But to defeat him we needed a bold, different agenda for those whose world has crumbled over thirty years. They are not the wretched of the earth; far from it. But they’ve lived a miserable few decades, and they’re angry. Instead, liberalism fought Trump with the sweet-nothings of an impeccable insider.
6.
Establishment liberalism has no answer because Democrats live in a parallel universe. They are perched on the tip of the elephant’s trunk, where it’s not thirty years of factory closings and opiate addiction, but Uber and stock options.
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Yet if the Left writes off Trump’s base, we too have no answer. All the socialist POC in the country can’t fill a football stadium, much less put Humpty Dumpty back together again. In the main, we live in universities and/or in blue-state bastions. If organizing means nothing more than doubling down, we are in trouble.
The Esk
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I get a lot of that and it is deeply worrying. A quick glance of the voter demographics suggests that it is peversely the elderly who are driving this change though.
Instinctively one would think it would be the young who were being headstrong and risk takers, but that does not seem to be the case.
mmmmsnouts
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This is all understandable but I fear if it doesn't work out, the people who voted for these abrupt changes, yours and ours, will simply double down on whatever led them down this path and dig an even deeper hole.
KOPITE ANALOGY ALERT !!!!!!!!!!
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Okay so it's late, I'm bored and you've probably stopped reading by now. I've had a fascination with postmodernism since I was introduced to it in college.
It's applied to nearly everything nowadays and I've annoyed a great deal of people in its practice. But the following article and it's links is the most accurate summation of the election debacle I've seen - http://www.hyperboreans.com/heterodoxia/?p=1206
To try and summarise, the spectacle of the election has blurred any sense of reality attached to it. It is as much a facade as the American dream or Hollywood. And Trump is the epitome of the spectacle.
From my own thoughts, take the inaccurate exit polls or the bombardment of stats and percentages you don't have time to understand or know whether they are actually legitimate. Take Trumps cameo in WWE, the election and his back and forth sparring with Clinton is almost like a WWE script, utter nonsense.
It's like an extentions of reality TV, it's a grown up slapstick kids show. Politics has been reduced to a sideshow. The total implosion of what it means to be a celebrity these days has now extend politicians. It is surreal that a businessman who cameos in films and television shows (Including reality TV show the apprentice), shows how absurd it has all become. We see all these celebrity endorsements but know nothing of the huge behind the scenes backings of major conglomerates.
Voting for your preferred candidate is now nothing more than picking your favourite TV show character. The idea that a dead gorilla who's 'celebrity' has been cultivated by online memes was voted for in the thousands shows the extent of the implosion.
Take the whole extensive coverage of the election with fancy graphics, experts you've already forgotten. I mean at stages we were watching people on the news watching news coverage of them watching the election unfold. Sorry for getting metaphorical but this is what it has become.
I could go on for ages and I'll probably end up continuing this by other means but I'll wrap it up for the sake of me going on a bit too much. If it's felt like the most surreal year it's because it is. It feels like it isn't happening right? We've become obsessed with the spectacle. Everything is thrown at us so fast we have no time to process it all. And for a year where you thought things couldn't get any further away from reality, the American election Trumps it all.
It's applied to nearly everything nowadays and I've annoyed a great deal of people in its practice. But the following article and it's links is the most accurate summation of the election debacle I've seen - http://www.hyperboreans.com/heterodoxia/?p=1206
To try and summarise, the spectacle of the election has blurred any sense of reality attached to it. It is as much a facade as the American dream or Hollywood. And Trump is the epitome of the spectacle.
From my own thoughts, take the inaccurate exit polls or the bombardment of stats and percentages you don't have time to understand or know whether they are actually legitimate. Take Trumps cameo in WWE, the election and his back and forth sparring with Clinton is almost like a WWE script, utter nonsense.
It's like an extentions of reality TV, it's a grown up slapstick kids show. Politics has been reduced to a sideshow. The total implosion of what it means to be a celebrity these days has now extend politicians. It is surreal that a businessman who cameos in films and television shows (Including reality TV show the apprentice), shows how absurd it has all become. We see all these celebrity endorsements but know nothing of the huge behind the scenes backings of major conglomerates.
Voting for your preferred candidate is now nothing more than picking your favourite TV show character. The idea that a dead gorilla who's 'celebrity' has been cultivated by online memes was voted for in the thousands shows the extent of the implosion.
Take the whole extensive coverage of the election with fancy graphics, experts you've already forgotten. I mean at stages we were watching people on the news watching news coverage of them watching the election unfold. Sorry for getting metaphorical but this is what it has become.
I could go on for ages and I'll probably end up continuing this by other means but I'll wrap it up for the sake of me going on a bit too much. If it's felt like the most surreal year it's because it is. It feels like it isn't happening right? We've become obsessed with the spectacle. Everything is thrown at us so fast we have no time to process it all. And for a year where you thought things couldn't get any further away from reality, the American election Trumps it all.
deipnosophist
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I agree that "we probably have never had it so good" if you are referring to us baby boomers.
My first (Auckland) home cost me 7 times the then (1989)pre tax national median income. I sold it in 1995 at only a very slightly increased multiple and out of nostalgia I went to see it auctioned last weekend....it sold at over 20x. Difficult for first time home buyers that!. It's a speculative feeding frenzy out there and a lot of the youth of Auckland will be life time renters.
The rich keep getting richer though. Globalisation/exportation of economic neo-liberalism (ie trickle down bullshit) and insanely loose monetary policy just keeps on giving to the well to do (which many baby boomers, in relative terms are...largely by virtue of the fact that we could buy assets (houses) before they became unaffordable, largely due to injudicious immigration policy and 'borderless' capital flows fuelling the speculation).
So, the election. I'm supposing many Americans voted for change because maintaining the economic status quo was tantamount to committing oneself to a slow 'death by a thousand cuts'. Best to take a leap into the unknown.
The people who stay put in a crisis/catastrophe are usually the ones who perish.
PS :You (like me) would have enjoyed the election-inspired roilings in the financial markets the past 24 hours or so. Crazy movements!
abelard
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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/16/politics-and-the-new-machine
this is very thoughtful, and timely
"What the turn from polls to data science means for democracy"
this is very thoughtful, and timely
"What the turn from polls to data science means for democracy"
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