Donald Trump for President Thread

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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated

"Richard Spencer is a self-described “identitarian” who lives in Whitefish, Montana, and promotes “white racial consciousness.” At thirty-six, Spencer is trim and preppy, with degrees from the University of Virginia and the University of Chicago. He is the president and director of the National Policy Institute, a think tank, co-founded by William Regnery, a member of the conservative publishing family, that is “dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of European people in the United States and around the world.” The Southern Poverty Law Center calls Spencer “a suit-and-tie version of the white supremacists of old.” Spencer told me that he had expected the Presidential campaign to be an “amusing freak show,” but that Trump was “refreshing.” He went on, “Trump, on a gut level, kind of senses that this is about demographics, ultimately. We’re moving into a new America.” He said, “I don’t think Trump is a white nationalist,” but he did believe that Trump reflected “an unconscious vision that white people have—that their grandchildren might be a hated minority in their own country. I think that scares us. They probably aren’t able to articulate it. I think it’s there. I think that, to a great degree, explains the Trump phenomenon. I think he is the one person who can tap into it.”

Jared Taylor, the editor of American Renaissance, a white-nationalist magazine and Web site based in Oakton, Virginia, told me, in regard to Trump, “I’m sure he would repudiate any association with people like me, but his support comes from people who are more like me than he might like to admit.”

"Taylor, who calls himself a “racial dissident,” was slim and decorous in gray trousers and a button-down when we met. For years, he and others have sensed an opportunity on the horizon to expand their ranks. When Obama was elected in 2008, Stormfront, the leading white-supremacist Web forum, crashed from heavy traffic. The Klan, weakened by lawsuits and infighting, barely exists anymore, but the Internet draws in young racists like Dylann Roof, who is accused of the June 17th massacre of nine people at a church in Charleston. The attack inspired a broad effort to remove the Confederate flag—from the state capitol and from the shelves of Amazon and of Walmart and a host of other retail stores. Defenders of the flag were galvanized, and they organized more than a hundred rallies around the South, interpreting the moment, months after racial unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore, as a sign of a backlash against political correctness and multiculturalism. Trump’s language landed just as American hate groups were more energized than at any time in years. Griffin, the blogger for the League of the South, told me that the removal of the flag had crystallized “fears that people have about what happens when we become a minority. What happens when we have no control over things? You’re seeing it play out right now.”

does the New Yorker count (certain people have cited it) or is Evan Osnos too young and well-educated?
 
Tribalism doesn't suit you.

Isn't that the truth. It'll be the death of us, RB.

You guys aren't doing yourselves any favors by reflexively banging that RAAAAAACIST gong, so you can keep congratulating yourselves for not voting like THAT guy. (show picture of black mannekins hanging from palm tree with Trump sign) It's the only place that things ever seem to go, and then here we are. I'm not posting the pictures of the New Black Panthers standing in front of the polling places in Philly? Am I? What would be the point?

Self-awareness is thin on the ground in here, which is why folks like @TX Bill know better than to hang around. We're just so [redacted] tired of being called [redacted] racists and [redacted] gun nuts all the [redacted] time. Fall in line, or feel the burn.

But I don't mean YOUUUUUU!!! Sure. Right.

Wasting my breath here.
 
Because they're not voting for someone who has called Mexicans rapists, blacks inherently lazy and women fat pigs mate.

But if it helps you sleep at night pretending both sides are the same on this, go for it.
Im sure the people of Haiti would agree with you.
 
Isn't that the truth. It'll be the death of us, RB.

You guys aren't doing yourselves any favors by reflexively banging that RAAAAAACIST gong, so you can keep congratulating yourselves for not voting like THAT guy. (show picture of black mannekins hanging from palm tree with Trump sign) It's the only place that things ever seem to go, and then here we are. I'm not posting the pictures of the New Black Panthers standing in front of the polling places in Philly? Am I? What would be the point?

Self-awareness is thin on the ground in here, which is why folks like @TX Bill know better than to hang around. We're just so [redacted] tired of being called [redacted] racists and [redacted] gun nuts all the [redacted] time. Fall in line, or feel the burn.

But I don't mean YOUUUUUU!!! Sure. Right.

Wasting my breath here.
Can I call you out for being for unrestricted capitalism at least?

I'm happy to debate point by point (I'm actually not, I get really bored of politics super fast, and generally believe you can believe whatever you'd like as long as it's not ruining other people's stuff).

I understand the frustration for a small-government conservative debating lefty's in this election. But that's not so much the lefty's fault as the Conservative base for running a guy that is blatantly prejudice, right? I mean, I actually am not calling you or Bill racist. I'm saying Trump and a whole bunch of his supporters are racist, and that's probably a bad sign for a president, right?

So I'd vote progressive no matter who the Republicans were running based on economic and political theory - I don't believe limited government will work well in a highly advanced and hyper-complex society. You can disagree with me! That's cool, I dig it, it's all theory still.

But...like...either Trump is racist or he's pretending to be. That has nothing to do with your political outlook. But it certainly should be brought up when discussing his fitness to lead a country with a whole bunch of minorities right? Or is the entire point off limits because it doesn't pertain to your reasons for voting, even though they are still actual things that affect the nation if the man is elected?

Can we just pretend things don't exist? Can I pretend Hillary is a socialist and dove? I mean, if you guys get to pretend Trump is not a racist, I get to pretend Hillary is my ideal candidate, right?
 
And what might they say of the good Mrs Clinton and her saintly foundation?

That it's corrupt and she is indeed corrupt mate.

Thing is though, I prioritise mad racism and misogyny ahead of possible corruption on the scale of "things I don't want the leader of the free world be thinking and doing". I'd prefer neither of course, but that's why this election is a douche v turd situation.

Point being, Clinton isn't a provable racist misogynist lunatic, whereas Trump actually is.
 
Isn't that the truth. It'll be the death of us, RB.

You guys aren't doing yourselves any favors by reflexively banging that RAAAAAACIST gong, so you can keep congratulating yourselves for not voting like THAT guy. (show picture of black mannekins hanging from palm tree with Trump sign) It's the only place that things ever seem to go, and then here we are. I'm not posting the pictures of the New Black Panthers standing in front of the polling places in Philly? Am I? What would be the point?

Self-awareness is thin on the ground in here, which is why folks like @TX Bill know better than to hang around. We're just so [redacted] tired of being called [redacted] racists and [redacted] gun nuts all the [redacted] time. Fall in line, or feel the burn.

But I don't mean YOUUUUUU!!! Sure. Right.

Wasting my breath here.

this sounds like how muslims complain about being constantly forced to denounce terrorism... no doubt by the same people who insist, all evidence to the contrary, there is nothing racist about the Trump campaign

the difference is that they denounce terrorism all the time instead of pretending it's never happened, anywhere

who is congratulating themselves?
 
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