Donald Trump for President Thread

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i think for a long time it was "mutually assured destruction" - neither party nor most of their voters could countenance any kind of deviation, as it would ensure that the other side won. politics in the US has been motivated far more by hostility to the other side than by anything positive or constructive, for some time now. but Trump might change this - it's very hard to see the Republicans putting the toothpaste back in the tube again, so to speak - they won't be able to just impose Jeb! ever again.

but if they break up, it would create much more space for democrats who have to hold their noses every four years to do the same

Agreed.

That whole ¡Jeb! thing is what blew the whole thing up. The money guys who pushed that fantasy from the country club set were the ones who showed the country that the GOP as currently established was past hope. Trump was the one who saw the open door, and he rode the escalator down from his executive suite right through it. Without Jeb in the mix (and I'm convinced he never really wanted to run, but did it out of "duty" to the family), Rubio would have won the nomination and the election, mainly because he would cut deeply into Hillary's base of women and Latinos.

The others took each other out while Trump strode through them like Robocop gunning down the guilty and the innocent, with the power of the press pushing him over the finish line. He was good for ratings, and now they are scared of the monster they have created/enabled. The DC establishment (both parties) is so opposed to every ounce of Trump's being that it will lock things up completely for the next four years, which is the best possible outcome of the ones we are currently offered. Neither of these will offer for another term in office, imho.
 
Those bits in bold would have me worried about Trump even if I liked his policies but agree they don't seem to have bothered a lot of his supporters.

Re the wifi thing that is why I put it in quotes, what she was intenting to convey and what was heard are two different things. But that is a problem for even the major party candidates, only supporters tend to spend the time to doublecheck the full context and details.

Aye, tribalism is as old as the hills and it's still tainting much debate. But there's also plenty of observant & interested folk who have no tribal ties with any one side, who are just looking for nuance & detail to gain a proper understanding of what's going on. But they don't get much airtime in the sensationalist media.

Warring two sides with their black vs white arguments seem to hold the majority in thrall. Maybe this relates, partly, to what @mezzrow was intonating about operant conditioning. With most voters being susceptible there's no real requirement for full context, at least not in matters like democratic elections. See also Brexit.
 
Aye, tribalism is as old as the hills and it's still tainting much debate. But there's also plenty of observant & interested folk who have no tribal ties with any one side, who are just looking for nuance & detail to gain a proper understanding of what's going on. But they don't get much airtime in the sensationalist media.

Warring two sides with their black vs white arguments seem to hold the majority in thrall. Maybe this relates, partly, to what @mezzrow was intonating about operant conditioning. With most voters being susceptible there's no real requirement for full context, at least not in matters like democratic elections. See also Brexit.

Exactly. I would like this twice if i could. MODS!! We need rep back!!
 
Do you Mericans literally vote either Trump or Clinton, or do you vote for senators and congressmen, and if they win the State, then that State goes to Trump or Clinton?

Bet its the other way round. If Trump wins a State, then that State sends X amount of Republicans to DC.
 
America should chuck itself in the bin for ending up with the race for the biggest job in the Western World coming down to Clinton and Trump ffs.

It's like being asked do you want to be shot or hung. Albeit the idea of that shredded wheat headed buffoon having his finger on the button is terrifying.
 
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Do you Mericans literally vote either Trump or Clinton, or do you vote for senators and congressmen, and if they win the State, then that State goes to Trump or Clinton?

Bet its the other way round. If Trump wins a State, then that State sends X amount of Republicans to DC.

We vote on everything individually.

For example here in Washington there are 7 different candidates on the ballot for president, 2 for US Senate, 2 different US congressional districts for national races.

Then there's a bunch of others on the ballot for state elections from Govenor to Superior Court Judges to different initiatives and propositions.
 
So on your ballot paper, there is a list of what? Electors, (still not sure what that means), or Trump and Clinton?

So state by state it's a popular vote. Each state has Electoral votes equal to the number of Senators and Congressmen. Whoever wins the popular votes in each state gets all of those votes.*

*except in Maine and Nebraska where the votes can be split
 
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