So, basically a striker on an upward trend improving his tally every single season?
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So, basically a striker on an upward trend improving his tally every single season?
There is just so much talk about this interest from Arsenal that you beging to believe there is some truth in the rumours.
If they want a young talented English international footballer then they must expect to pay the price.
For me that price is around 100m.
I don't think he will be sold unless he pushes for a move, he offers so much to a team apart from goals.
If they want a young talented English international footballer then they must expect to pay the price.
For me that price is around 100m.
I don't think he will be sold unless he pushes for a move, he offers so much to a team apart from goals.
Lobster Johnson
Player Valuation: £35m
I think you could get a decent XI out of a list of Everton players past and present Dave hates.
bluelife
Player Valuation: £40m
He's almost 25. If he had last season's figures when he was 20, maybe you're looking at that price. I think the club would bite Arsenal's hand off for £60m
Comparing last years stats for fairness and for the fact Kane had his best season ever by all accounts
Kane Shot accuracy 37.2%
Conversion 16.8%
DCL Shot Accuracy 55.4%
Conversion 19.3%
And for added emphasis I'll add in Salah's stats so far this season, arguably his best form and being spoken about for ballon d'or
Salah Shot accuracy 43.8%
Conversion 20%
and the other 2 were on pens, Dom wasn't then
We watch him more, it annoys us more when he misses, it's why it sticks in our heads, but by all accounts he matches up in finishing stats with players we'd never get in our team and people want rid of him. It's ridiculous
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Are these shots / conversions inside or oustide of the box? DCL is great 6 yards out but his game compared to the 2 mentioned is miles off. Kane and Salah are a constant threat, defenders know if they can keep DCL away from the 6 yard box then its a quiet afternoon for them.
I'm not a fan of stats tbh they never paint a full picture.
If DCL stays then fine, if he goes for 80m then fine. Either way we 'win'
I have no stats for it and happy to be proved wrong if you do, but my immediate thought about those stats would be that Salah and Kane are taking on more 'difficult' shots than DCL? Obviously the vast majority of DCL's goals come from close range, but my perception would be that most of his shots in general do too? He's not a player i'd associate with shooting from outside the box or mad angles, or shooting while on the run, all of which would have an effect on shot accuracy percentages.
Yeah, completely different types of players if you're looking at Salah. Bit different with Kane, a lot of his goals also come from inside the box. I'll have a look into the graphics I can get when I have more time to see how they compared from last season.
DCL is a brilliant poacher though and should be treated as such. His hold up play is good but lumping it long to him is not a tactic. I'm excited to see how he plays under Lampard.
Issue he's had this season is constantly playing catch-up. He had a broken toe at the start of the season so wasn't training on the grass. He was strictly in the gym, pool and a bit of bike work and then going into games with painkiller injections.
He then got that quad injury v Brighton and returned to full training too soon - which is what Dan Donnachie was sacked for even though it's subsequently come out that Benitez apparently pushed for Dom to come back. But who knows if that's sour grapes on Donnachie's part?
Now, he's come back into a struggling side after 4 months out, in the middle of winter when it's harder naturally for players to recover, and he's played 90 mins straight off the bat in the games.
His body is constantly playing catch up and so injuries elsewhere are more likely to occur because of the strain and other muscles trying to componsate. Which is why Benitez, and anyone else, who was saying earlier in the season that it would all improve when Dom came back, was absolutely mental.
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
Bold one: You see I think we're, honestly, two or three signings away from this. Maybe three or four now Digne is gone. CB or two, couple of good CMs, competition in the 9. If we sell DCL that makes it four or five signings. IMHO it sets us back.
Bold two: we have been ambitious, but you're right we've been seeking the short term rush. Sell our assets when we can, buy in flavour of the month replacements (Sigs, Iwobes, Walcott). That strategy is the wrong way round - it means we are held to what's available on the market at the point of sale, rather than thinking more strategically about when is the best time to make signings, and then looking at assets in the squad to sell. DCL is a long-term investment. Keep him, add to him, improve the fringes of the squad - where we are weakest. We should be looking to ship out the second team and replace them with young and hungry competition. Our first team is good on paper, our second team is relegation fodder. Closing that gulf is vitally important.
Bold three: agree he can be clumsy with the ball at his feet, but don't see why we need one or the other. Why don't we buy another striker who is a bit more tech, more of a natural slotter, one touch bang. Have em both. Then we've got two ways of playing, direct, set pieces, out wide and swing it in, and also more intricate possession build up, work the chances around the edge of the box. We don't have that at the mo - all our strikers for years have been target men.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Does it matter as long as they are goals and winning games.
Bold 3. We already have a secondary striker I reckon in Richie. No need for him to be out wide with the wingers we have on the books now.
Salah 4shots per game 3.3inside the box 82.5%
DCL 2.5s/g 2.2inside the box 88%
Kane 3.9s/g 2.4 inside the box 61.5%
So yes he has more shots inside the box and I take that point, but only significantly more than kane though, and then again those stats include penalties so conversion rate is skewed
The reason I chose Kane and Salah for this comparison is because they are Kane and Salah so we should expect them to be much higher than Dom right?
As regards keeping DCL quiet = easy game, that has much more to do with our team than Dom...Liverpool have defenders being pulled all over the place by their attack
Anyway, we can't replace him with better imo
Salah 4shots per game 3.3inside the box 82.5%
DCL 2.5s/g 2.2inside the box 88%
Kane 3.9s/g 2.4 inside the box 61.5%
So yes he has more shots inside the box and I take that point, but only significantly more than kane though, and then again those stats include penalties so conversion rate is skewed
The reason I chose Kane and Salah for this comparison is because they are Kane and Salah so we should expect them to be much higher than Dom right?
As regards keeping DCL quiet = easy game, that has much more to do with our team than Dom...Liverpool have defenders being pulled all over the place by their attack
Anyway, we can't replace him with better imo
* just copied and pasted my reply to another post but will address the above point
If our fan base watched how wasteful Kane can be compared to Dom, the fume would be through the roof and we'd have a thread with people trying to sell him for 80mil
I think we're miles away. I don't know how good Patterson and Mykolenko will turn out to be so they might help but for me we're at least 2 centre halves and 2 central midfielders away from a starting eleven that's at that level. Then cover at both full backs, another good striker, and possibly better quality out wide too. I just don't think top 4 is a realistic aim at the moment, for me we're further away from it than we've been at any point for about the last 15 years.
I don't think we've really sold our assets at all, the only one in the last 5 years was Gueye. If anything there's an argument we haven't done enough of it. I wouldn't say any of the players you mentioned were 'flavour of the month' either. None of them were good signings but none of them were particularly popular at the time either, and 2 of them were moving down to come to us so can hardly have been flavour of the month.
I didn't say we had to have one or the other, I said if we're going to rebuild and play a different way then i'd prefer a different profile. As i've said a number of times, if he stays that's great.
ElGato
Player Valuation: £20m
This has been Everton's issue for some time now.
Our investment strategy is driven by when we think it is the best time to sell our assets. That means we are always held to what's available on the market at the time of sale. Who's to say that another forward who is more reliable as a goalscorer and fits the profile of the team is available in the summer? Maybe we then end up paying premium for a dog bin bagman because the selling club knows we need him as well?
The proper approach, for long-term stability, is I) identifying areas in the squad we need to strengthen; II) identifying and then tracking players who we think fit the bill; III) when they become available then move for them; and only then IV) look at the existing squad and take a view as to what assets are best to sell in order to free up or fund an inbound move.
We are far too reactive in the market, which has led to some woeful signings made in order to fill gaps that we've made by simply cashing in. Need to be more strategic in our thinking.
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