Does Moyes' reign look better with hindsight given the dismal performances of his successors?

[TraffordBlue]

must have watched a different game pal, we were poor in the first half I recall but we should have won the game in the second half before martial scored a late winner

The players got booed off after that disgraceful first half. You're right about the 2nd half though and we should have gone on to win it. Sums up Martinez' time here though, some good stuff mixed in with a lot of bad, and ending in failure.

 

[Papa Shango]

He's a terrible manager mate and history proves it, martin o'neal won something but it doesn't make him a good manager does it? Bobby can't organise a defence and history shows the longer he stays at a club the goals against column increases every year. He won't divert from his philosophy even when his players do t suit it, he was asking players like Caldwell and bramble to play like bekenbaur, do you remember bramble making cock ups every week and costing them games, I do. He used to say that "individual mistakes cost us today" nearly every week at Wigan, and say "you can't account for that" well you can, stop asking CB that can't pass to pass the ball around. He's shocking and it's not really up for debate I don't think

I only care about winning stuff. It's all that matters.

Martinez has won something, Moyes has won nothing in a much longer career and with better/bigger clubs.

 

[Tel001]

6m was a big amount when he was signed.

We came 4th the season before on a system based to get the best out of Marcus Bent. It worked and then he replaced Bent with a totally different type of player yet played the same system. It was mad.

It was big money for us but it wasn't big money, collymore moved for 8.5 in the mid 90's the transfee record in Britain was 38m when we signed Beattie, jenas went for 7m.

 

[TraffordBlue]

6m was a big amount when he was signed.

We came 4th the season before on a system based to get the best out of Marcus Bent. It worked and then he replaced Bent with a totally different type of player yet played the same system. It was mad.

It was a big amount for Everton, which highlights just how good a job Moyes did given the pathetic resources he had at the back him. As recently as 2015 before Moshiri came in, Kenwright was the 18th richest owner in the league with only Delia Smith - £23m, and The Morgan Family at Swansea - £32m below us. Kenwright had £33m.

The difference with Moyes, compared with his successors was that they had the benefit of the TV money.

£6m was not a big amount in comparison to those clubs we were hoping to get above. Not even close. Drogba signed for Chelsea for £24m in 2004 which was a huge amount back then. £6m back then was about the equivalent to a transfer fee in today's times of £20m. You've got clubs like Palace spending £27m on Benteke so it just shows how financially restricted we were when Moyes was in charge.

 

[Tel001]

I only care about winning stuff. It's all that matters.


Martinez has won something, Moyes has won nothing in a much longer career and with better/bigger clubs .

That's not true tho is it? It's not "all that matters" would you rather have had the season we finished 4th and crash out of the CL and Europa or the season bobby had winning the cup and being relegated?

 

[Philw]

You've got clubs like Palace spending £27m on Benteke so it just shows how financially restricted we were when Moyes was in charge.

Or some team called Everton, spending £28m on a guy called Bolassie.

Oh. Wait.

 

[Papa Shango]

That's not true tho is it? It's not "all that matters" would you rather have had the season we finished 4th and crash out of the CL and Europa or the season bobby had winning the cup and being relegated?

I would prefer just to win and that's it.

If I was a Wigan fan, yeah I would prefer the cup win and relegation as its a tangible result for a club who do not have a history of winning things. As an Everton fan no I would not be happy with relegation even with a cup win, at the same time I am not massively impressed with coming the best of the rest either.

Listen I am more than happy for Martinez to be called a bad manager, that's fine, but lets not pretend Moyes is a good one in the same way because the end results really don't add up. he is won zero in a very long managerial career.

 

[MACCA75]

40M would have bought us more Bilys and Beatties.

Working on a shoestring actually did him a massive favour in a way.

Nonsense. Fellaini, Yakubu were good signings. We might have actually been able to buy a striker better than Saha or Anichebe.

 

[Tel001]

I would prefer just to win and that's it.

If I was a Wigan fan, yeah I would prefer the cup win and relegation as its a tangible result for a club who do not have a history of winning things. As an Everton fan no I would not be happy with relegation even with a cup win, at the same time I am not massively impressed with coming the best of the rest either.

Listen I am more than happy for Martinez to be called a bad manager, that's fine, but lets not pretend Moyes is a good one in the same way because the end results really don't add up. he is won zero in a very long managerial career.

I didn't say Moyes "is" a good manager . I said he did an amazing job at the time with the conditions he had, we were a joke mate, we didn't sign a perminent player for 2-3 seasons, we were selling to Loan, remeber ibrahim said, plessis, bosnar, that American guy that never played? Under those conditions no other manager would have even come here. I already said the game moved on and he hasn't and I can see him being an outdated dinosaur like sam in ten years time. But at that time I believe we were only a couple of decent players away from breaking into the top 4. Back then it wasn't how it is now with 6 teams pulling further and further away, we were close but financially we couldn't back him and now we will probably never catch up

 

[evertonarntwe]

The players got booed off after that disgraceful first half. You're right about the 2nd half though and we should have gone on to win it. Sums up Martinez' time here though, some good stuff mixed in with a lot of bad, and ending in failure.

Yer man, it was ridiculous, had them on the back foot all through the second half, Gerry was tearing them a new hole, then think it was a defensive mistake to let martial go through and slot it

didn't united only have palace or something in the final as well? would could have been ay

 

[TraffordBlue]

Yer man, it was ridiculous, had them on the back foot all through the second half, Gerry was tearing them a new hole, then think it was a defensive mistake to let martial go through and slot it

didn't united only have palace or something in the final as well? would could have been ay

Sums up the life of an Evertonian born/or with a living memory after 1987...

Big game, big opposition there for the taking, but our players can't find a way to succeed.

Let's hope Silva can change that.

 

[kev101]

We still had an identity under Moyes, we were Everton. Hasn't really felt like Everton since he left.

 

[kev101]

I only care about winning stuff. It's all that matters.

Martinez has won something, Moyes has won nothing in a much longer career and with better/bigger clubs.

Modern footie fan right there.

 

[Papa Shango]

Modern footie fan right there.

That's a very interesting take on it. It's also a very incorrect one.

Modern football is obsessed with money and league placings. Winning things doesn't really seem to matter any more. Getting top 4 seems to mean more than winning an actual trophy.

 

[Papa Shango]

I didn't say Moyes "is" a good manager . I said he did an amazing job at the time with the conditions he had, we were a joke mate, we didn't sign a perminent player for 2-3 seasons, we were selling to Loan, remeber ibrahim said, plessis, bosnar, that American guy that never played? Under those conditions no other manager would have even come here. I already said the game moved on and he hasn't and I can see him being an outdated dinosaur like sam in ten years time. But at that time I believe we were only a couple of decent players away from breaking into the top 4. Back then it wasn't how it is now with 6 teams pulling further and further away, we were close but financially we couldn't back him and now we will probably never catch up

He did well at first. He did a decent job and I am thankful to him for that.

That's all it was for me though.

For what he didn't get in money he got back in stability. It was his club, he could do what he liked with it. That's a rarity in football.