Do we bottle the big games ?

[deipnosophist]

The fact that those idiots think it, only proves my point, tbf.

You are sounding more and more like Blades...that is a trend you should attempt to stem.

 

[Allezfan]

I agree to a point and going by that logic your right with maybe 1 game under Moyes (the final)

Yeah, the final cos you win it you have a trophy, you lose it you don't.

Likewise wimbledon and coventry were big games, you win it you're in the top flight, you lose you're not.

I'm not sure about Villarreal second leg, I can see the argument that a win there would change us and I can see the argument that it wouldn't.

Likewise, if we'd ever gone into the last game of the season needing a win to finish 3rd or 4th and the Cl, I'd consider that too but we never got that close under Moyes (and the time we did finish 4th, we did it with games to spare) .

But qfs and games vs other challengers in march and april, nah. You've still got 2, 4, 5 more games to go down the line. It's not the winners takes all thing that a big game is.

 

[deipnosophist]

So are the teams in the 4th division play offs.

A big game is one where whether you win or lose changes the history of the club.

In fifteen years time noone will remember if we lost in the qfs or the semi finals this year.

But in 15 years time we will recall with club pride winning the FA Cup. You can't win a final without winning the preceeding games. You might familiarise yourself with the term 'non sequitur', as your argument possesses it.

 

[Allezfan]

But in 15 years time we will recall with club pride winning the FA Cup. You can't win a final without winning the preceeding games. You might familiarise yourself with the term 'non sequitur', as your argument possesses it.

So was our game vs stevenage a big game?

Obviously you have to perform in every cup game to win the cup and every league game to win the league but every game can't be a big game or the term has no value.

 

[deipnosophist]

So was our game vs stevenage a big game?

Obviously you have to perform in every cup game to win the cup and every league game to win the league but every game can't be a big game or the term has no value.

In the scheme of winning the FA cup, every game is important. And then there are games which are big. Stevenage game was important, Arsenal is big

 

[SunKing]

'Big games' don't have to be all or nothing though do they? I mean, Man City v Chelsea was a big game a few weeks ago despite there being no trophy to show for.

 

[Allezfan]

In the scheme of winning the FA cup, every game is important. And then there are games which are big. Stevenage game was important, Arsenal is big

I just don't agree with that definition of big games, I'm sorry.

A big game is one where there is no next. You win it's that, you lose it's this.

If you can play the best game of your life in it and still end up with nothing cos you lose the semi, it's a not a big game.

I get why our fans want to think it is, I get why arsenal fans do too. Cos we're big clubs and we haven't had enough big games of late but lets not cheapen ourselves by thinking a qf is a huge game, please. That's for the like of chesterfield and hull who don't get into semis and are just happy for a day out to wembley, it's not for us.

 

[Allezfan]

'Big games' don't have to be all or nothing though do they? I mean, Man City v Chelsea was a big game a few weeks ago despite there being no trophy to show for.

Only according to sky.

 

[deipnosophist]

'Big games' don't have to be all or nothing though do they? I mean, Man City v Chelsea was a big game a few weeks ago despite there being no trophy to show for.

yes it was....and?

 

[deipnosophist]

I just don't agree with that definition of big games, I'm sorry.quote]

Fair enough...we can agree to disagree mate. To me, I see tonights game (NZ time) as big and you don't. I suspect within the Everton and Arsenal fanbase, you are in the minority, but nonetheless your feelings are your own...I respect that.

 

[SunKing]

Only according to sky.

Knew you'd say that haha. I know where you're coming from by the way, I just think you can extend the term 'big game' beyond glory or failure. I'd consider a merseyside derby a big game but you wouldn't.

 

[Ratkiller]

I just don't agree with that definition of big games, I'm sorry.

A big game is one where there is no next. You win it's that, you lose it's this.

If you can play the best game of your life in it and still end up with nothing cos you lose the semi, it's a not a big game.

I get why our fans want to think it is, I get why arsenal fans do too. Cos we're big clubs and we haven't had enough big games of late but lets not cheapen ourselves by thinking a qf is a huge game, please. That's for the like of chesterfield and hull who don't get into semis and are just happy for a day out to wembley, it's not for us.

I get where you're coming from with the Wembley day out shout. But on everything else you're wrong.

The quarter final of the FA cup is a big game. Away at Arsenal makes it even bigger.

 

[barneygumble]

Not tomorrow.

 

[toffeejack]

The fact that those idiots think it, only proves my point, tbf.



We played 1, maybe 2 big games under Moyes.

Our problem under him is that we simply weren't good enough over a whole season to get to big games.

1 FA Cup final and both legs of CL qualifiers are already more than 2

 

[Allezfan]

1 FA Cup final and both legs of CL qualifiers are already more than 2

I don't agree about the cl qualifiers being big games, is the thing.

I can just about argue the second leg was, though I'm skeptical that a single visit to the Cl group stage would have changed our fortunes in any meaningful way, but the first leg we could have lost and still gone through, by definition it's not a must win, balls on the line, big game crunch match.

The final was a big game, the villarreal second leg is a maybe, any others weren't. 1, maybe 2.