2025/26 David Moyes

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My understanding is that TFG only wanted to offer Moyes an 18 month contract but that he negotiated a 30 months so it maybe that they accepted that it would cost them a 12 month payment to secure his services which, financially v the cost of relegation, would make financial sense.

TFG had also originally planned to let Dyche see out the remainder of his contract so I don’t think it’s a given that Moyes is offered an extension, even if he stays for a further 12 months.

It will probably depend upon where we actually finish as well. Bottom half would be no progress v Dyche 23/24 (adjusted for points deduction) or last year, the Dyche/Moyes combo so he probably needs Europe.

It’s in his hands to end the season on a high. Let’s hope he gets us there.🤞
 
Bluepablo said:
My understanding is that TFG only wanted to offer Moyes an 18 month contract but that he negotiated a 30 months so it maybe that they accepted that it would cost them a 12 month payment to secure his services which, financially v the cost of relegation, would make financial sense.

TFG had also originally planned to let Dyche see out the remainder of his contract so I don’t think it’s a given that Moyes is offered an extension, even if he stays for a further 12 months.

It will probably depend upon where we actually finish as well. Bottom half would be no progress v Dyche 23/24 (adjusted for points deduction) or last year, the Dyche/Moyes combo so he probably needs Europe.

It’s in his hands to end the season on a high. Let’s hope he gets us there.🤞
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Do you think they'll let Moyes go then Pablo in the summer if Europe isn't achieved?
 
As i near 60 I am currently met up with 2 old school mates to reflect on our lives so far, over a few days.

As i type, I realise I am sat between a moaning bleating Chelsea fan, lamenting their debt and wasted monies, and a spurs fan depressed about their woeful form and threatened relegation.

In comparison, I am sat between them enjoying a nice glass of shiraz with, for once, a contented smile on my face.

Thanks Davey.
 
Bluepablo said:
My understanding is that TFG only wanted to offer Moyes an 18 month contract but that he negotiated a 30 months so it maybe that they accepted that it would cost them a 12 month payment to secure his services which, financially v the cost of relegation, would make financial sense.

TFG had also originally planned to let Dyche see out the remainder of his contract so I don’t think it’s a given that Moyes is offered an extension, even if he stays for a further 12 months.

It will probably depend upon where we actually finish as well. Bottom half would be no progress v Dyche 23/24 (adjusted for points deduction) or last year, the Dyche/Moyes combo so he probably needs Europe.

It’s in his hands to end the season on a high. Let’s hope he gets us there.🤞
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Not sure what you mean by ‘he probably needs Europe’

Moyes will be managing us next season. Also the idea that TFG are super ambitious and expect us to be challenging for trophies isn’t based on anything I’ve seen from them.
 
MACCA75 said:
Not sure what you mean by ‘he probably needs Europe’

Moyes will be managing us next season. Also the idea that TFG are super ambitious and expect us to be challenging for trophies isn’t based on anything I’ve seen from them.
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Fair enough. I don’t have any sources within TFG & so could only speculate.
 
Lanolin said:
Positions are comparable because that's what measures where you are in relation to your competitors, which is ultimately what matters. Getting less points but being above more of your competitors is obviously a good thing, and the same is true in reverse. Points aren't comparable at all, it's totally pointless looking at that type of thing because it just doesn't tell you anything at all, it's generally only ever used by people who are desperate to make a specific point and have no other way to do it (ie Martinez got 72 points so did a better job than Moyes).

I agree on your final paragraph, it's nice to have had a worry free season, there have been some good high points (the away record is excellent, winning at Old Trafford was great etc) and there's still a possibility of us qualifying for Europe which would be genuine progress and an achievement for us in relative terms, there's nothing wrong with being happy with that.
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I get your point, but I don't quite see it that way mate. I think each season has its vagaries and this season more so than normal imo.

Your competitors are a variable you can't control, other than playing them twice a season.

Now, I've done no researching back here, so I stand to be corrected, but my gut instinct and perhaps dodgy memory tells me that most seasons there's normally a league that you can split in to 4 groups. Group one, challenging for the title or among the clear favourites for CL qualification. Group 2 is a handful of teams battling for the minor European places. Group 3 is often a few teams who never really get sucked in to a relegation battle, but never really trouble the top half, and then group 4 is those fighting for survival.

This season though, it's almost like it's become 3 groups, with almost everybody other than those who've been, or are in a relegation battle seemingly in with a chance of Europe. There's only really been Palace this season who I'd put in to that group 3. Is this sort of dynamic largely because there's so many potential European places now? Yeah, to a degree I think it is. But then there's still only a gap of 8 points between the 'traditional' 6th place spot and 14th.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if we finished 11th in this season, I wouldn't think we were anything other than a very similar side to whoever finishes say 7th, and I wouldn't see it as our level is in that third teir of teams.
 
chrismpw said:
As i near 60 I am currently met up with 2 old school mates to reflect on our lives so far, over a few days.

As i type, I realise I am sat between a moaning bleating Chelsea fan, lamenting their debt and wasted monies, and a spurs fan depressed about their woeful form and threatened relegation.

In comparison, I am sat between them enjoying a nice glass of shiraz with, for once, a contented smile on my face.

Thanks Davey.
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#ThankYouGaffer
 
John from Bootle said:
I get your point, but I don't quite see it that way mate. I think each season has its vagaries and this season more so than normal imo.

Your competitors are a variable you can't control, other than playing them twice a season.

Now, I've done no researching back here, so I stand to be corrected, but my gut instinct and perhaps dodgy memory tells me that most seasons there's normally a league that you can split in to 4 groups. Group one, challenging for the title or among the clear favourites for CL qualification. Group 2 is a handful of teams battling for the minor European places. Group 3 is often a few teams who never really get sucked in to a relegation battle, but never really trouble the top half, and then group 4 is those fighting for survival.

This season though, it's almost like it's become 3 groups, with almost everybody other than those who've been, or are in a relegation battle seemingly in with a chance of Europe. There's only really been Palace this season who I'd put in to that group 3. Is this sort of dynamic largely because there's so many potential European places now? Yeah, to a degree I think it is. But then there's still only a gap of 8 points between the 'traditional' 6th place spot and 14th.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if we finished 11th in this season, I wouldn't think we were anything other than a very similar side to whoever finishes say 7th, and I wouldn't see it as our level is in that third teir of teams.
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Yeah same really, I see your point but don't really agree. The way the league pans out is different every season and I think sometimes people go a bit overboard about how one particular season is so completely different to another (or sometimes the other way round, like last year when the same 3 teams that came up went down for the second time in succession and suddenly it was like everyone decided this was definitely going to happen every year for eternity now and the gap was clearly insurmountable, only for two of the promoted sides to stay up easily this year and make everyone look stupid). In 21/22 the gap between 6th and 14th was 13 points at the end of the season, in 20/21 there was only 10 points between 3rd and 10th etc, it's actually not that weird at all for teams to be bunched up like they are this season.

I suppose I just see the table as serving a purpose, it's kind of the entire point of the league really so if you don't take any notice of who finishes where the whole thing becomes a bit pointless. Of course - as with pretty much anything at all in life - fine margins can come into play and you might only miss out on a certain place by a small amount, but that's just how it works. The point is to finish as high in the league table as you can so finishing 6th is better than finishing 14th even if you were 'only' 8 points behind. Similarly of course you can't control your competitors, but they're called competitors for a reason - you're competing with them. We can't control how West Ham play on Saturday but the point of the game is to outperform them; the same applies to the league table.

Obviously you don't see it that way and that's fine. To an extent I can fall into the 'who cares whether you finish 8th or 10th' camp myself at times, but ultimately it does make a difference, particularly in years (ike this one and the one under Ancelotti) where you've clearly focused much more on short term results than long term growth.
 

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