Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
I am not a Moyes fan as you know and never will be. If he is that a good a manager why did Man U get shut in one year, not to mention his short holiday in Spain and then London where he was also shoved .
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £35m
Im a Moyes fan and he is definitely the right man for us. However i didnt like his post match interview. He said we didnt deserve to lose. I actually felt bar the first 20 minutes we were poor and particularly in the last 30 mins or so. We did deserve to lose overall but the game should never have gone that way. The subs should have improved us but they worsened us considerably
Thank you for proving my point.
He would have been down the road and it was a good job that he wasn't sacked for what happened the next season? And the season after that, and the season after that, and the season after that.....
Alanbileysfeathercut
Player Valuation: £80m
He's definitely going down the route of players he 'trusts'.
It's seems recruitment is wasting money on bench warmers.
It's seems recruitment is wasting money on bench warmers.
Matthew mcdonnell
Player Valuation: £8m
Glasners beat them more times in 6 games
No manager should ever be judged on 2 games a season.
It is a poor record, but the be all and all of a football season does not rest on just 2 games. The less emotional fans, and the non-agenda driven ones, will be looking a the whole picture and critique his time here on everything, not just matches against one team.
Yes, it is a derby, but apart from one manager, in my lifetime, every Everton manager can be seen as having a poor win record against them.
steven
Player Valuation: £35m
I like Moyes and he obviously has improved us from Lampard and Dyche horror seasons. But this whole narrative of ‘look how far we have come’ and ‘plucky old Everton going for Europe’ is baffling. As likely to end up 12th or lower as we are to 8th imo.
Yes. It’s better than relegation candidates…but we should be demanding better. Some people saying Liverpool spent billions to ‘sneak a win against us’ - but we got a draw against a much better version of them last season and I think whilst Moyes settled us down he hasn’t really progressed us as I hoped this season.
It’s a big 5 games for his future. The narrative between ending 8th or 14th is very different.
Yes. It’s better than relegation candidates…but we should be demanding better. Some people saying Liverpool spent billions to ‘sneak a win against us’ - but we got a draw against a much better version of them last season and I think whilst Moyes settled us down he hasn’t really progressed us as I hoped this season.
It’s a big 5 games for his future. The narrative between ending 8th or 14th is very different.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £70m
I understand the whirlwind of the VAR and them scoring, but for the last 15 minutes of that first half, it was played as if we were hanging on to a 1-0 lead, not the other way round.
Dont get it at all, we just stood off and let them hold the ball and even at times stand still waiting for pressure, which never came
Second half we were much better and over the balance of play id say we slightly edged it. But to be sat so passively for 25% of any match, let alone a derby was a very strange one
You don't have to be an "emotional" fan to put a high importance on derby performances and results. Give over. It's a perfectly normal part of football fandom
He is extremely lucky to have been our manager for so many years given the abysmal derby record. All the other ones that failed did not have 13yrs or whatever to try beat them a bit more
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
Yesterday isn't whats annoyed me regarding Moyes this season. Its his casual disregard of the cups that's wound me up. I'm absolutely certain that he'll get all of next season and see his contract out and I've made my peace with that. But I'm dead set against any kind of extention. The only way I'd even entertain being ok with him saying beyond next season is if he wins us a pot or we have an unbelievable league campaign and get champions league football. Neither if which are likely to happen.
Fair enough, I was wrong to use the word emotional. I will leave it at agenda driven, as the post I was referring to was on the agenda driven side of things.
I am just more level headed, about football in general, than I used to be, that warped my wording into what I put. I was more or less over the game within half an hour, went for a walk on a beautiful day and all was good with the world.
But again, you don't judge a manager on 2 games a season. If it was the other way around and he had that record against every other team but had a great record against Liverpool, would you definitely be saying he should not be sacked, despite more than likely finishing just above the relegation zoine every season and/or more than likely eventually getting relegated. This is my point, lucky not to be sacked for one poor record against local rivals is not a constructive argument to be had.
We need to step back and look at his whole performance, if you still think he has been extremely poor then fair enough, I would disagree but at least the argument would be more logical, as to why he should or shouldn't be/have been sacked.
MisterJ
Player Valuation: £35m
If we beat them both in a season, how is it a one off?
I thought his game management was really poor yesterday. Two out of his three subs were forced upon him through injuries and the other was taking Dwight O'Neil off far too late. Should have got some fresh legs on in the middle of the park, especially with all that time added on.
