2025/26 David Moyes

[Bally1989]

And within 5 years after that we were consistently challenging the European spots

Won nothing.

 

[Zatara]

FFS! Can't even be bothered to trawl through all the cry-arsing on here. Been following this thread for ages and occasionally comment but the amount of new wet wipes that have popped up to post utter bilge on here in the aftermath of a derby defeat is ridiculous. Pant-pissing all over the shop.

I'm with you on the disappointment. It was gut-wrenching to lose that, particularly with that utter nob VVD getting the winner. No blue will be happy with that of course. However, we were by far the better team for 30 mins, should/could have been a couple of goals up but for fine margins. Great save from their keeper. A good shout for a pen (if that's Salah at the other end it's given 100%), a horrible miss from Beto when clean through and an offside decision that was a matter of centimetres. An individual error hands them a massive boost, but we get back into it after half time and had chances to score a second. We were unlucky with injuries and every change we made had no effect (possibly made us worse).

The hyperbole on here is legendary. I've watched us surrender so many derby games through the years but I thought we gave it a go today at least. A few players let themselves down and I'll accept that there may have been a few things Moyes could have done differently, but ultimately it was very fine margins and we lost to a set piece in the 11th minute of injury time. Painful definitely, but some of the knee-jerking on here is astonishing!

I agree that Moyes is risk averse. I agree that he has a ceiling. I agree that he's not the future. But he's here for now, has done a good job in turning us round from relegation battle regulars, and we still have hope of getting European football if we get behind him and the team for the last few games. Come the end of the season we can take stock and see where we are, but if we make a change then we need the right guy not some flavour of the month.

Christ sake, it's like a bunch of 2 year olds having a mass tantrum in here.

Quite a peculiar post.

You're complaining about people knee jerking.

But generally the same posters have made the very same points all season.

Those relatively new posters (like yourself) that you say are knee jerking (as you have done) could well have had views on Moyes for years.

Today may be their last straw, compounded by many issues this season.

Im reading how Moyes has us close to Europe?

How hes amazing. Seeing him giving interviews about how great he is.

Seeing players wheeled out for staged interviews.

Hes then taken 1pt from Brentford with a final mins goal...and lost 1pt from Liverpool in the final seconds.

Weve got 1pt from 2games which is probably 1pt less than deserved

The table is so close this season, how do we know were not 10th in spite of Moyes?

Over half the league is close to europe.

 

[Zatara]

She’s dead Zat you Manilla bothering monster. Wow!

I thought id hit the jackpot with a regional celebs ma

She lied to me

 

[BlueStevie35]

Won nothing.

Same as every manager since Big Joe

 

[chicoazul]

I thought Liverpool were there for the taking. After the equaliser you’d hope, expect, Everton to push on and take the game to them.

Everton didn’t. None of Everton’s big players stood up and the game went ponderous, enabling them to get a foot in.

Any Everton Manager takes accountability for that. Even if we’re ahead of where we hoped we would be now there’s opportunity there to be seized upon and it felt a bit too familiar from Moyes’ Evertons of the past. I suppose that’s why so many are spooked on here.

Wider picture for me so I’m happy at the trajectory we’re on, but the league is wide open this season so go for it. Lash your subs on, play attacking risk taking football as if the prize was Champions League it would be transformative, and if we fell short after going for it then I don’t think too many would grumble.

 

[jceverton]

Just to summarise, I dont believe these players were anywhere near top of his targets list. And the fact he won't use them, and clearly doesn't rate some of them, is pretty strong evidence.

Moyes might have eventually signed off on players but clearly someone in the recruitment process is recommending them too. That's a problem too. We spent about 80m on 3 players who don't get close to the first team. My question is why were those players even on our targets?

No club is ever going to publicly have a manager come out and say a new signing wasn't who they wanted.

Hilarious, if Moyes gets rid of DOF role and appoints the Director in charge of Scouting and Recruitment who exactly is responsible for last summer?!

 

[MikeH72]

Thelwell/Purdy
O'Brien, Garner, Tarkowski, Iroegbunam, Ndiaye, Beto not to mention Onana.

Compared with Moyes signings.



You can answer that by looking at who has the final decision making power on transfers.

David Moyes.

So, weve hired his mate from City and Moyes has got the decision making power.

Therefore, they all do what Moyes wants.



Imagine if the younger players were developed.

What if...it wasnt a midtable squad?

So we’re paying them to do nothing and just agree with Moyes? What a great use of funds, might as well sack them imo.

 

[dannyboy]

Thelwell/Purdy
O'Brien, Garner, Tarkowski, Iroegbunam, Ndiaye, Beto not to mention Onana.

Compared with Moyes signings.



You can answer that by looking at who has the final decision making power on transfers.

David Moyes.

So, weve hired his mate from City and Moyes has got the decision making power.

Therefore, they all do what Moyes wants.



Imagine if the younger players were developed.

What if...it wasnt a midtable squad?

That's all well and good if the young players are good enough. We spent a lot of years developing Tom Davies and that didn't get us anywhere.

 

[davek]

And within 5 years after that we were consistently challenging the European spots

Moyes will forever be associated with derby day humiliations.

No Everton manager should have his record.

16 defeats in 12 seasons.

A win rate of 14%.

 

[Del-boy]

The un-escapable evidence is the results against top six clubs with him as a manager. It’s truly abysmal both home and away. We probably have the worst derby record of any team in Europe.
I know we beat United and Chelsea this season, but they are one offs.

With Moyes inability to get results against these teams, your effectively giving away at least 30 points every season.

 

[efcste97]

I thought Liverpool were there for the taking. After the equaliser you’d hope, expect, Everton to push on and take the game to them.

Everton didn’t. None of Everton’s big players stood up and the game went ponderous, enabling them to get a foot in.

Any Everton Manager takes accountability for that. Even if we’re ahead of where we hoped we would be now there’s opportunity there to be seized upon and it felt a bit too familiar from Moyes’ Evertons of the past. I suppose that’s why so many are spooked on here.

Wider picture for me so I’m happy at the trajectory we’re on, but the league is wide open this season so go for it. Lash your subs on, play attacking risk taking football as if the prize was Champions League it would be transformative, and if we fell short after going for it then I don’t think too many would grumble.

100% agree but It’s just never going to happen under Moyes, unfortunately. He’s his own worst enemy, and I worry this might be our best chance to get into the Champions League for a while. I think everyone would've been happy with a point all things considered, the issue I have is Moyes would've been happy with a point no matter who the pl team was.

 

[McKindrick Blue]

Quite a peculiar post.

You're complaining about people knee jerking.

But generally the same posters have made the very same points all season.

Those relatively new posters (like yourself) that you say are knee jerking (as you have done) could well have had views on Moyes for years.

Today may be their last straw, compounded by many issues this season.

Im reading how Moyes has us close to Europe?

How hes amazing. Seeing him giving interviews about how great he is.

Seeing players wheeled out for staged interviews.

Hes then taken 1pt from Brentford with a final mins goal...and lost 1pt from Liverpool in the final seconds.

Weve got 1pt from 2games which is probably 1pt less than deserved

The table is so close this season, how do we know were not 10th in spite of Moyes?

Over half the league is close to europe.

Not really a peculiar post is it though Zat. Unlike some of your classic ramblings.

Agree that half of the league is close to Europe, didn't say otherwise. I'm as frustrated as the next blue at the missed opportunity, but there's still football to be played and there's still a chance for us to snatch a European place, so I'll get behind the team and manager until we either succeed or fail. Then I'll worry about whether a managerial change is the right option.

You can rightly claim to have been on here banging the same drum for ages. As pointed out in my original post, I agree with some of the takes on Moyes. He frustrates the hell out of me on occasion. But the tsunami of posts from names I don't see on this thread usually suggests to me that they are just angry and need to vent. A lot of it is over the top nonsense that smacks of a toddler tantrum. They are entitled to do it and I'm entitled to have my opinion on it.

If you disagree that's ok. That's how forums work

 

[Bedfordblue]

These sort of results always happen when @chicoazul writes the pre game ramble.
He’s a right bloody Jonah with his verbose gibberish.
The man’s a menace.

 

[Bally1989]

I thought Liverpool were there for the taking. After the equaliser you’d hope, expect, Everton to push on and take the game to them.

Everton didn’t. None of Everton’s big players stood up and the game went ponderous, enabling them to get a foot in.

Any Everton Manager takes accountability for that. Even if we’re ahead of where we hoped we would be now there’s opportunity there to be seized upon and it felt a bit too familiar from Moyes’ Evertons of the past. I suppose that’s why so many are spooked on here.

Wider picture for me so I’m happy at the trajectory we’re on, but the league is wide open this season so go for it. Lash your subs on, play attacking risk taking football as if the prize was Champions League it would be transformative, and if we fell short after going for it then I don’t think too many would grumble.

I think many naively thought Moyes may have changed (me included) the first red flag for me was the Wolves cup game.

The realisation is he's exactly the same but maybe a little more chilled with the players in comparison to his early days.

I for one believe he will never win anything with Everton, and with him now bringing stability, he becomes an easy removable part.

 

[Lanolin]

Agree with this, especially the first part. But the fact we don't have a huge budget makes last summer even worse. 3 of the 4 players we signed for large fees either aren't good enough (Barry) or don't even play (Rohl Dibling).

My point has been that clearly somewhere in the process, someone has recommended to sign Barry for close to 30m or Dibling for 35m plus.

Something is going wrong in the process or more likely, the recruitment process / team are not at all aligned with the manager. We were in no position to spend large sums of money on players not ready to start matches. Our squad desperately needs quality, we aren't a team who can take a chance on potential at these sorts of transfer fees.

I think that's one of the difficulties with having a manager like Moyes who is a)quite old school and b)relatively risk averse.

I think the most likely explanation is that the owners have outlined that they're willing to make X amount of money available but with the caveat that the majority of it is spent on players who are under 23. Moyes has then been happy to sign off on the players we've signed as being the best options in the market we're shopping in but really if he had a choice he wouldn't be focusing on that market to begin with. Many of the players theoretically fit the profile of player he likes don't forget - a 6ft 5 striker and a 6ft 3 versatile midfielder are EXACTLY the type of players you would expect Moyes to choose - so I think it's totally believable that the recruitment team have provided multiple different options and he's decided the ones we've signed are the best.

That's not even intended as a criticism, it's an approach that works for him I'm not knocking it. The dilemma is how we find the right blend for our approach, we can't give total control for the direction of the club to a 63 year old old fashioned manager who will always prioritise the here and now and be averse to moving too far away from what he's been doing for the last 25 years, but there's no point in continuing with a policy that the manager isn't really buying into. It's a genuine quandary.