davek
Player Valuation: £150m
The CF who can only score every 15 games and the two Moyes bought but wont use, Dibling and Aznou.
Thomasc
Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
Cup runs are purely down to the luck of the draw.
A league cup semi and an fa cup semi, both meaningless anyway as we didn’t get to the final.
2 x 11th placed finishes is the key thing here and well you know it.
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
Harryflashman
Player Valuation: £60m
That just adds nightmare on elm street vibe of it all for me , whatever I do I can’t get away from him in here now he’ll be in my nightmares .
carolinablue232
Player Valuation: £70m
Haha ok. So 2 of the 3 I mentioned when you said they weren’t part of the “thick end.” They’re a waste for you because you didn’t get instant gratification despite us sitting 7th without needing them to contribute yet. When they come good, I’ll look back fondly on this.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
This conversation has confused me. I think you've gone wrong somewhere but I cant be bothered reading it back to locate exactly where.
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Thread 'The European Dividend' https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-european-dividend.122773/
PercyPlant
Player Valuation: £8m
One can only presume that you’ve “conveniently” forgot that your boy Martinez got 47 points with Stones, Barkley and Lukaku during a season the league was so poor Leicester won the effing thing.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
And me saying we should be getting 55 easy this season invalidates me also saying that 58 points would not be a great return how?
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
55 points would be more than Sean Dyche has ever managed in his life by the way.
18Chris87
Player Valuation: £750k
Just wading in on this Moyes v Martinez debate.
I loved Martinez, even when things were going sour, thought he was a fantastic fella and clearly got a good football mind. I hated that he was so stubborn, I think the reason he had to go was because it was consistencies in play that led to us being where we were. Constant mistakes at the back because he wanted ball playing defenders with players who clearly weren't comfortable doing that, diabolical set pieces (people could point to this season but in 2013-16 there were no set-piece coaches sat in every club and not as big a focus as they are in todays game), never ever a plan B, every game the same, and unfortunately as we seem to do - he choked the big occasions e.g. Southampton away, Kiev away, United semi final, City semi final (although the ref helped with that).
Half of me does think, I wonder what would have happened if he got money to spend, the other half thinks that as much as he brought in some brilliant players such as Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barry and dare I say McCarthy before the injuries, he also brought in some right muck such as Cleverley, Alcaraz, and even though he became something of a cult hero to me, Kone.
I think Moyes brings a lot of stability and a lot of frustration with him is due to his longevity with the club. We're in a unique position that only Arsenal, United and now nearly City fans can share in that we've watched the same premier league manager for over a decade and have become familiar with his tendencies. On the whole I find that Moyes can and does play some attractive football at times and I do agree that he was far too conservative in his previous spell both with play and mentality.
I'm really hoping that Moyes, getting nearer to the end of his career and with much more money to play with than he had last time, throws a bit more caution to the wind and just goes for it. He might be surprised by the results.
I loved Martinez, even when things were going sour, thought he was a fantastic fella and clearly got a good football mind. I hated that he was so stubborn, I think the reason he had to go was because it was consistencies in play that led to us being where we were. Constant mistakes at the back because he wanted ball playing defenders with players who clearly weren't comfortable doing that, diabolical set pieces (people could point to this season but in 2013-16 there were no set-piece coaches sat in every club and not as big a focus as they are in todays game), never ever a plan B, every game the same, and unfortunately as we seem to do - he choked the big occasions e.g. Southampton away, Kiev away, United semi final, City semi final (although the ref helped with that).
Half of me does think, I wonder what would have happened if he got money to spend, the other half thinks that as much as he brought in some brilliant players such as Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barry and dare I say McCarthy before the injuries, he also brought in some right muck such as Cleverley, Alcaraz, and even though he became something of a cult hero to me, Kone.
I think Moyes brings a lot of stability and a lot of frustration with him is due to his longevity with the club. We're in a unique position that only Arsenal, United and now nearly City fans can share in that we've watched the same premier league manager for over a decade and have become familiar with his tendencies. On the whole I find that Moyes can and does play some attractive football at times and I do agree that he was far too conservative in his previous spell both with play and mentality.
I'm really hoping that Moyes, getting nearer to the end of his career and with much more money to play with than he had last time, throws a bit more caution to the wind and just goes for it. He might be surprised by the results.
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
You're being disingenuous for a change David.
You said we should achieve 55 points and 10th place
You're now saying 58 points wouldn't be great
You're avoiding saying what you think a "good" return would be in case Moyes achieves it or in case you set such a ridiculously high figure that you look like more of a ted than usual
carolinablue232
Player Valuation: £70m
I accept your surrender.
PercyPlant
Player Valuation: £8m
He’s bottled replying to me so I know I’m right/won
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