John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £20m
We do need to move on though Dave. Would you rather we dwelt on the result?
We're just not that good yet mate. Certainly not good enough to warrant an inquest because we lost a game away to another PL side. We move on, and rightly so - it's gonna be a very competitive league this season judging by how it's gone so far.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
9 other clubs involved in Europe. 2 games per week pretty much until well after Christmas.
We cant be using a competitive PL season as any excuse.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £20m
It's not an excuse. I'm saying we need to move on because it's a competitive league and there's no room for dwelling on things. Certainly as far as the manager and players are concerned.
He used the squad, like most managers do in the early stages. Wolves made more changes than us. The clubs in Europe have bigger squads and often put out what is more akin to a third choice team in the early rounds. Players need to be used, they need oppurtunities. Most of the fringe players will expect to play in that type of game. You've got to keep them happy, and you've got to give them chances and minutes, because you might be needing at them at some point. End of the day, our second string wasn't good enough on the night. You can't get through a season -Europe or not- using only 11 players.
Doesn't that just prove 'Bad Timing'
it was behind the scenes, in the stands and a pretty downbeat squad..
Thinking back it was a ridiculous time to be honest mate, all sense lost the club, fanbase and owner - the fact when he left we went and got Carlo, then the season after we were almost bankrupt - is indicative of how bonkers everyone became.
Everyone connected to Everton fans included had lost the lost the plot come the end of Silva reign, hindsight and all that - but he did a very good job and would have continued to in my opinion - i was against sacking him at the time btw.
We need to have lessons of those times all scorched into our brains.
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £20m
I backed him, as I do all managers. However, bar Carlo and Moyes, I've turned on every one of them.
Silva was out of his depth at the time, and looked like he had no personality. His body language on the touchline towards the end was truly horrible to see. He had to go.
If he'd have been able to get his own players then we know he can get a team playing well, we saw it for a while. He didn't get those players though, couldn't adapt, and folded ultimately. I have some sympathy, because we never gave him the tools he needed, but he could have adapted. He never though, and the rest is history.
Oh so you admit Martinez never delivered any glory years for us since he never won a trophy at Everton?
I don't think Fulham's record at set pieces is particularly bad is it? I haven't looked it up but I don't think of them as being one of those teams you can target. I think Silva's a good manager but not necessarily an incredible one. He's done a good job at Fulham and I doubt they expected any more than what he's achieved. I think he's one where people make up all sorts of mad reasons why it didn't work out here but in reality we just had a bad run and didn't have the patience to see it through. I don't agree with the whole 'he wasn't ready for it' stuff, he'd managed Sporting and Olympiakos and in the PL before, you'd think we'd brought him in from Marine the way some people talk.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
He deserved longer with us but he just didn’t strike me as a lucky manager, and sometimes you need that bit of luck to get over the line. Even a streaky manager can win a cup even if their league form isn’t great, Martinez Postecoglou Di Matteo etc. but Silva just never gives that impression that can get over the line. Set pieces were a big problem for us under him, I’ve never really worried about us conceding set pieces under Moyes or Dyche or even Allardyce but every corner under Sivla seemed to put the crowd on edge at Goodison.
I don’t think he was out of his depth mate he had us purring in the second half of the season year 1. We were lovely in the eye and he was getting the most out of all the players.
I personally feel the club and Brands let him down with recuritment that summer, that impacted the first half of year two and eventually was his undoing.
He was our best chance of someone moving on from Moyes and building long term and the club/dof undermined it.
We witch hunted him out of it in the end - for my money the responsibility for results lay elsewhere.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
They (Wolves) were the team who gained by a trade off in squad rotation to that extent: their team were misfiring and ours weren't. Changed 1 or 2, but not 7 and hand our advantage over to them.
There can be no 'understanding' of what Moyes did last week.
Also, the teams in Europe this year include Forest, Palace and Villa.
Instill some confidence in your players moyes, stop being overly cautious and take the game to a dismal west ham.
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
It's all relative.
The best times I've had supporting Everton where when I was a teenager, from the 04/05 season through to 13/14 season - regularly going to European games, watching us win more often than not at Goodison, outplaying opposition with the likes of Baines, Pienaar, Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini and Yakubu who would take the piss at times and going to Wembley (albeit only to see a semi final victory).
All but one of those seasons was under Moyes. My glory years (and plenty of others my age) was the first Moyes era.
Drico
Player Valuation: £70m
He has no excuses tonight. Even his fans admit that Nuno has had no time with the West Ham players. Moyes needs to do the one thing he has failed palpably to do in the last two matches: get the best out of his players.
If he does that, he has every chance of winning the game.
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