2025/26 David Moyes

[Lanolin]

I was but thats not to say i dont think there's no truth in it.
for the sake of a 98th minute equaliser against a team going for the title dertimines how this thread goes for the next few days. Its that fine a line.

It'll always be that fine a line though won't it? At all clubs at all times. It's a results business, we've got 2 points from our last 4 games and have dropped points by conceding injury time goals in all of our last 3 games, so people are a bit disgruntled. They would be less disgruntled if we had won them all. That this still perplexes some people is quite remarkable to be honest.

 

[Curtis]

You may be right, but right now the money men will look at the improvement and regard him as good for their investment rather than gambling elsewhere.
The fact they never go to the matches makes me all the more sure of that. The club is part of a business portfolio to them and not much more than that unfortunately

Even though they don't directly go to the matches doesn't mean there's not a focus on the investment through delegation. Kenwright went to every match and even moshiri popped up for a few didn't mean anything I'd rather people with actual knowledge of the game keeps tabs on matters and then keep them informed rather have bumbling owners.

 

[Gilbert..]

It'll always be that fine a line though won't it? At all clubs at all times. It's a results business, we've got 2 points from our last 4 games and have dropped points by conceding injury time goals in all of our last 3 games, so people are a bit disgruntled. They would be less disgruntled if we had won them all. That this still perplexes some people is quite remarkable to be honest.

And just like in another thread on here we've won more this season with late goals than we've lost. I dont see the same posting frenzy with those.
Some thrive on the negativity.

 

[Toffeepot]

Even though they don't directly go to the matches doesn't mean there's not a focus on the investment through delegation. Kenwright went to every match and even moshiri popped up for a few didn't mean anything I'd rather people with actual knowledge of the game keeps tabs on matters and then keep them informed rather have bumbling owners.

Thats just it though, 'focus on the investment'. Right now, with Moyes at the helm they are getting a return on that investment. This will be their priority.
We are still in with a shout of Europe, I doubt they expected that so soon

 

[Lanolin]

And just like in another thread on here we've won more this season with late goals than we've lost. I dont see the same posting frenzy with those.
Some thrive on the negativity.

I seem to recall you not always being the most positive or patient poster when we've had other managers in charge so I think you're probably capable of understanding how it works if you put your mind to it. People get annoyed when we lose and bash out some words on their keyboard, it's really not as deep as some people would like it to be.

 

[riddick]

Thats just it though, 'focus on the investment'. Right now, with Moyes at the helm they are getting a return on that investment. This will be their priority.
We are still in with a shout of Europe, I doubt they expected that so soon

Are they? They spent circa 110m+ last summer and I wouldn't say any of their "investments" have gone up in value. KDH I guess maybe a bit? We're 2 places higher in the league but could finish anywhere from 7th to 12th really. Finishing 12th is exactly where we were last season so not exactly sure how that's a positive ROI?

 

[Toffeepot]

Sorry mate but you are wrong on the Manager/Player draw, older Managers coming to the end of there career that have already tasted europe will more like be drawn to a job with Europe already on the cards, but most Managers ambitions are being the man that brings that to a club. They want to test themselves and it's soley there job to do it. A player has a younger shelf life and you are walking into a club with a squad of players to rely on, not just you or your own ability.

We as a club have alot to offer a manager to achieve that, at the moment we haven't got a squad of players to have the same appeal to certain other players.

I doubt we'll have the same issue attracting players this summer. The few years flirting with relegation, financial issues, points deductions would've looked dodgy from the outside and no Europe was a good excuse.
Some will look at the new stadium getting lots of tv time, flirting with Europe and want to be part of that now. Others will only want CL of course but I definitely think Moyes has a better hand to play this summer

 

[Gilbert..]

I seem to recall you not always being the most positive or patient poster when we've had other managers in charge so I think you're probably capable of understanding how it works if you put your mind to it. People get annoyed when we lose and bash out some words on their keyboard, it's really not as deep as some people would like it to be.

Thats true. Its human nature when losing to lash out. But 24 hours later if you're still lashing out then it becomes more of a narrative.
If you are talking about Dyche just say it. Yeah when you're not even mustering a shot on target and then telling everyone its the fault of everyone else before he got here i tend not to like.

 

[Toffeepot]

Are they? They spent circa 110m+ last summer and I wouldn't say any of their "investments" have gone up in value. KDH I guess maybe a bit? We're 2 places higher in the league but could finish anywhere from 7th to 12th really. Finishing 12th is exactly where we were last season so not exactly sure how that's a positive ROI?

Massive increase in sponsorship, more tv time, higher position and imo likely getting some form of Europe.
The transfer spend wasnt much at all. We got 131mil for tv money which will go up with league position and a lot more tv games which means more money.
Increased revenue from the stadium too. Financially on the up for sure

 

[Lanolin]

Thats true. Its human nature when losing to lash out. But 24 hours later if you're still lashing out then it becomes more of a narrative.
If you are talking about Dyche just say it. Yeah when you're not even mustering a shot on target and then telling everyone its the fault of everyone else before he got here i tend not to like.

I wasn't talking about Dyche specifically, I was talking about you. My point was just that you've been that person on the other side of the fence, you know that it's not that odd for people to get annoyed and have a 'narrative' because you've done it yourself. It's not a criticism, I'm just saying there's no need to act like it's crazy and people are being completely unreasonable, this is just what happens on football forums - people vent their frustrations about the team when they don't win. I'm not going to come on here and start slating Moyes or the players after last night because I thought it was just one of the things, but I totally get the frustrations and obviously if you've already got in your head that the manager is a problem these things get magnified, it is what it is.

 

[Gilbert..]

Are they? They spent circa 110m+ last summer and I wouldn't say any of their "investments" have gone up in value. KDH I guess maybe a bit? We're 2 places higher in the league but could finish anywhere from 7th to 12th really. Finishing 12th is exactly where we were last season so not exactly sure how that's a positive ROI?

Do you not think the table shows 5 or 6 teams are a much of a muchness and Everton have moved into that. Brighton bournemouth and fulham are on less points than last season. Chuck sunderland into that mix. All these teams are just capable of taking points off each other. I personaly look at the table and dont think we're that much better than teams 4 places below or that much worse than 4 above.

 

[Swartzy]

I doubt we'll have the same issue attracting players this summer. The few years flirting with relegation, financial issues, points deductions would've looked dodgy from the outside and no Europe was a good excuse.
Some will look at the new stadium getting lots of tv time, flirting with Europe and want to be part of that now. Others will only want CL of course but I definitely think Moyes has a better hand to play this summer

It's still a totally different scenario when talking "Player pull" and "Manager pull" The managers progress/regress effects your player pull.

 

[Gilbert..]

I wasn't talking about Dyche specifically, I was talking about you. My point was just that you've been that person on the other side of the fence, you know that it's not that odd for people to get annoyed and have a 'narrative' because you've done it yourself. It's not a criticism, I'm just saying there's no need to act like it's crazy and people are being completely unreasonable, this is just what happens on football forums - people vent their frustrations about the team when they don't win. I'm not going to come on here and start slating Moyes or the players after last night because I thought it was just one of the things, but I totally get the frustrations and obviously if you've already got in your head that the manager is a problem these things get magnified, it is what it is.

Thats all pretty obvious stuff. There's an underlying dislike with some of the current manager on here but i'm not that arsed about it. I'll say it if i see it but i'm sure they will move on, like i do.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I just want a change. If in the future we get into a situation where a key game is in the balance like a cup semi final, or a derby game to determine who qualifies for champions league, or a second leg of a European knockout game. I want to have at least a %50 chance the outcome goes our way. That’s all I’m asking for, we win some we lose some. I can take those disappointments if I know that another time it bounces our way.

I just can’t take going into games knowing that it would take an absolute once in a generation miracle for us to beat an injury ravaged Liverpool team with a third choice keeper, or a team of United kids in a cup semi final, or no matter how badly Arsenal play against us we still will bend physics to avoid punishing them for it. It’s almost %5 it will happen %95 it won’t happen and I just can’t take that much longer.

Moyes knows it, the players know it, the media know it, the fans know it, the opposition know it. They all know that when push comes to shove we’re not coming out on the right side of these games and if we want to end the trophy drought we need to get in a manager who can.

 

[blueblue]

Are they? They spent circa 110m+ last summer and I wouldn't say any of their "investments" have gone up in value. KDH I guess maybe a bit? We're 2 places higher in the league but could finish anywhere from 7th to 12th really. Finishing 12th is exactly where we were last season so not exactly sure how that's a positive ROI?

This time last year we were a few months into our escape from relegation , this season relegation has never been an issue... surely that is an improvement.

Certainly some of the signings have not been as good as we hoped for but I think that both Barry , Dibling and Aznou can all still prove to be good additions.
Barry has scored eight times I think, would we have expected a lot more at the start of the season ?