Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £60m
If you can't accept peoples differing opinions then maybe a forum is not the place for you no matter how wild peoples opinions are or you start putting people on ignore mate.
NilSatisOptimum
Player Valuation: £70m
Momentum is a thing, winning breads winning etc. Its very disappointing to back with this feeling.
Most effective in league 2 I imagine
Or if we win one within three years with Diblinhg and Barry combining for the winner mate, we can all talk about the time we wanted them banished for not beating Wolves a few weeks after we signed them.
You're resorting to inventing arguments here.
If he brought in those 2, and kept the rest of the team - there's no complaints.
He didn't though, did he? He made 7 and the predictable consequence was a team looking like strangers with no balance whatsoever.
With someone like Grealish there is an increased risk what would be a red flag for him, would be his lmited mins in the last year, to ask him to go from 0 - 100 mph - Weds - Sat would be a concern for a sports science team TBH.
You are right though you can manage the risk, so hypothetically for the debate, you manage his mins in the Derby so he plays the full game Vs Wolves - if your priority is the League Cup - sure.
You manage injuries when they over mate, you deal with preventing injuries every week, Illy's mins are often manged for example. Idrissas more so to, ive noticed.
We aren't going to agree on this at all. I think your defence of the team selection is absolutely bizarre.
But just to continue the point, Moyes played Grealish Sunday Wednesday Saturday at the time of the Mansfield game. So why could he not play Saturday Tuesday Monday? Surely by your logic it was dangerous for him to play against Mansfield?
Teams in the champions league don't play their reserves on a Tuesday or Wednesday night. And their teams don't end up with countless injuries come the winter. We have only 2 guaranteed non league games. The idea we need significant rotation is complete rubbish IMO.
To be fair you invented a scenario where we weren't winning a trophy for another 30 years mate. I merely provided the counter balance.
This is the thing though, you will say two, someone else will say three, someone else will say 0 - you wont please everyone, so do what you think is right yourself as a manager.
Wolves made 8 changes last night to their team at the weekend - so obviously the consequences aren't that predictable.
Last edited:
royvernon39
Player Valuation: £15m
I don't think many would deny young players on the fringes getting a start but Coleman at left -back especially as the club has just spent 10 million on a young left back makes no sense. On the left hand side last night was Dwight and Seamus..enough said.
Is it a question of time before DM morphs into SeanDyche with his favourtism and lack of imagination?
Is it a question of time before DM morphs into SeanDyche with his favourtism and lack of imagination?
BigDuncTributeBand
Player Valuation: £25m
Re the lineup yesterday, I can understand why Moyes went with most of that team.
Beto got subbed at half time in the derby and was largely slated. Barry has been brought in for big money, if he’s not starting g in the league cup with Beto coming off a stinker, when is he starting?
Behind Beto Alcaraz has shown promise in the central role, deserved a start. Dibling is a big signing, needed game time and will be wanting to start games. McNeil, previously a key player albeit it now down the pecking order. All three likely to be needed at some stage this season, got to keep them happy and match fit.
Coleman at left back was an abomination, fair enough and he played terribly.
The players let him (and themselves) down massively.
Beto got subbed at half time in the derby and was largely slated. Barry has been brought in for big money, if he’s not starting g in the league cup with Beto coming off a stinker, when is he starting?
Behind Beto Alcaraz has shown promise in the central role, deserved a start. Dibling is a big signing, needed game time and will be wanting to start games. McNeil, previously a key player albeit it now down the pecking order. All three likely to be needed at some stage this season, got to keep them happy and match fit.
Coleman at left back was an abomination, fair enough and he played terribly.
The players let him (and themselves) down massively.
Paul Rideout
Player Valuation: £40m
I just re-watched (ok, highlights) - If we play Pickford we're not conceding either goal IMO.
Big L from David on that.
Big L from David on that.
Equally i think you are a bit naieve on sports sceince mate.
I dont have the data - see all those ipads they are carrying on the side line - that is real time data being translated via GPS monitors on the players, that tell a manager when someone is at risk, fading etc, etc. There is another team up in the stands with laptops extrapolating other data. Its quite the science these days.
On that game set with Grealsih, i suspect we were building load, he had no game load over the summer - 19 mins Vs Leeds, then we were looking to build the load, his mins would have been managed and monitored, its often a fine balance building load for fitness and not risking injury. Obviously there is a culminative effect to that, if you do it continuously the more impact it has, so you decide when recover i.e. rotate someone. So Moyes took wolves last night. Rightly or Wrongly.
Interestingly i believe one of the reasons he fell out of favour with Pep, was Pep didn't feel Jack could do it midweek and weekend - weekend to weekend he was fine. Pep wasn't also a fan of how he took care of himself (Foden to for that mater).
I think Moyes has been quite open in alluding to this since the summer, as he would often talk about the absolute need to get a high number of players in during the window. How the hell we've started the season with no fit proper fullbacks and just 2 strikers in the squad is bonkers, yet no one at the club seems to think it's a major issue.
Some of those performances last night reminded me of the Lampard/Bournemouth thing where he said there are some players who aren't first choice, wont play, but have been given an opportunity and this is the crap they serve up. You would hope Moyes is furious with some of those players/performances and although he wont say, will be thinking some of these lads aren't good enough for a team that wants to be up the top end of the table.
We can't play the same 11 every game. They would be burnt out by Xmas. The squad is there to be used.
Where are we going to give fringe players a game if not in games like this?
The PL is our bread and butter, it is what pays the bills. The league cup is whilst a cup for the fans is not going to generate much in the long run so why risk your better players in it.
