2024/25 David Moyes

[Drico]

A steady calm season next year with us fighting for around 10th, is what I'd be happy with next season.

Clearly that's not where we want to be longer term and we need to aim higher. But let's see steady improvement first before we expect too much.

Changing the manager in the summer is one of the most ridiculous things we could do. There will come a point in 2 to 3 years where I hope we will be able to aim much higher than the safety of midtable, but we have work to do first.

Until we prioritise signing good attackers who score goals, this squad won't be very good. Regardless of who is in charge.

I don't accept that the only way forward is, say, 16th - 10th - 6th - 3rd.

In this league with the right backing, smart leadership, and canny recruitment, it's not that difficult to go 16th - 6th.

Forest have shown that. We are a bigger - and now richer - club than Forest with a much higher ceiling. Our horizons are wider. We should not be afraid to embrace the new Everton and the new opportunities that lie waiting to be seized by ambitious, competent ownership.

Eddie Howe took Newcastle from the depths to the top four in 18 months. Why do we think we can't achieve such a turnaround?

 

[Timbucktoo]

How many managers have we had in the past 12 years and how many have been a success?, and some people want to get rid of another one.

We were relegation fodder when he came in like we have been for years, he hasn't had a proper transfer window and we don't even know what PSR means for us this summer.

Some people live in a deluded world.

Transfer windows in the past decades have seen us sign so many poor players on huge contracts. You kind of hope the next window we`ll sign a few players and start to progress but somehow we find a wrong `un and we keep making not progress or going slightly backwards.

 

[Terrarian]

Ipswich score an absolute worldy thunderbolt, hardly Moyes chucking it sway.

 

[MACCA75]

I don't accept that the only way forward is, say, 16th - 10th - 6th - 3rd.

In this league with the right backing, smart leadership, and canny recruitment, it's not that difficult to go 16th - 6th.

Forest have shown that. We are a bigger - and now richer - club than Forest with a much higher ceiling. Our horizons are wider. We should not be afraid to embrace the new Everton and the new opportunities that lie waiting to be seized by ambitious, competent ownership.

Eddie Howe took Newcastle from the depths to the top four in 18 months. Why do we think we can't achieve such a turnaround?

Newcastle spent way more money than we have available. (Also have a better manager IMO). Forest are having a one off blinding season, but are still likely to finish 7th.

Breaking into the top 6 will be incredibly difficult and recruitment would have to be sensational.

 

[MikeH72]

22 points from 16 games.

17 points from 19 games.

Nobody else could possibly do any better

 

[knowing your history]

I feel David Moyes will be a short-term foundation-building solution, he'll not get another decade or so like his last time with us. The new owners will have him out on his arse and bring in a longer-term Manager after a season or so. Just my opinion, of course; other opinions are available upon request.

Fully agree. I think Moyes is 18 month manager this time. Will get all of next season but finishing 12th-14th won't be enough to keep him on beyond that.

I think it is similar to Hodgson going back to Palace now. Kept them up comfortably but everyone could see the next season him staying on with minimal signings was a big error. I was shocked he was still there just before they came to Goodison in Feb 2024.

Had some amazing runs of form under Glasner so need to be looking at the Bundesliga/La Liga and see who might become available in 12 months time.

 

[davek]

22 points from 16 games.

17 points from 19 games.

Nobody else could possibly do any better

What an achievement.

22 points from 48.

Manager of the season award surely a formality.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I don't accept that the only way forward is, say, 16th - 10th - 6th - 3rd.

In this league with the right backing, smart leadership, and canny recruitment, it's not that difficult to go 16th - 6th.

Forest have shown that. We are a bigger - and now richer - club than Forest with a much higher ceiling. Our horizons are wider. We should not be afraid to embrace the new Everton and the new opportunities that lie waiting to be seized by ambitious, competent ownership.

Eddie Howe took Newcastle from the depths to the top four in 18 months. Why do we think we can't achieve such a turnaround?

We should be aiming to win the league next year. Otherwise what's the point

But that doesn't mean that if will be a failure if we ended up coming like 10th or 11th. Progression isn't always fast and isn't always in a straight line. But we need to see a good improvement in the quality of our playing squad and the quality of our results.

As for ambitious and competent leadership, I think that's what we will see. But as yet, we're yet to see what sort of owners we've got. It's very much wait and see until they've been in charge for a while.

 

[Zatara]

Ipswich score an absolute worldy thunderbolt, hardly Moyes chucking it sway.

I think its more the case of what Moyes didnt do.

 

[MikeH72]

What an achievement.

22 points from 48.

Manager of the season award surely a formality.

Well it’s better than his predecessor’s 17 points from 57 which you were delighted with at the time.

It’s also better than what you expected from Moyes himself when you said he was taking us down and we needed Gareth Southgate to come in and rescue us.

 

[Portoman]

UB40 1 in 10

"We have one win in ten, stagnating in the league, we have one in ten, Doucoure, Michael Keane"

 

[davids]

I don't accept that the only way forward is, say, 16th - 10th - 6th - 3rd.

In this league with the right backing, smart leadership, and canny recruitment, it's not that difficult to go 16th - 6th.

Forest have shown that. We are a bigger - and now richer - club than Forest with a much higher ceiling. Our horizons are wider. We should not be afraid to embrace the new Everton and the new opportunities that lie waiting to be seized by ambitious, competent ownership.

Eddie Howe took Newcastle from the depths to the top four in 18 months. Why do we think we can't achieve such a turnaround?

Moyse is a pragmatic manager and his first instinct is to send out a team that he feels won't lose. Very good to transition us,but doesn't and never has had the flair or imagination to change a team like ours overnight.

 

[Delargeinho]

De Rossi got a 3 year contract last summer.

He started the season with 3 draws and a defeat. He got sacked.

His replacement got 12 games and then got sacked.

Moyes was brought in last minute as a stop gap.

Why are the Friedkins going to change tact and support a manager they really didn't want.

That's true, it's a weird thing actually, because Roma had a really bad run at the end of the previous season, but nonetheless they decided to stick with with de Rossi and give him a new contract.

The situation here is that Moyes has been in management for years and is predictable what you get. In January 2025, we knew we had to first away from the relegation battle + you got to manage a huge squad change in summer.

If you as a board then go and say, Moyes is the man to make it till summer 2027 with a contract probably around 5m year, you would be stupid to bin him in summer, unless you really have an average of zero point something.

For me the squad atm is the bigger problem, as overall Moyes delivered enough to stay and not waste another 10m we need for the squad.

 

[Frosty1878]

Done a great job and the squad is still in a poor position in terms of players. We need a lot of signings and my concern is Moyes won’t be here beyond next season and I wouldn’t like him here beyond that either unless he makes the right signings and has us playing attractive football which is possible as with the current group a lot are poor players in terms of where we would like to be top 6. I’d prefer a new long term manager to be able to make the signings he wants, in almost 12 months time a new manager could be coming in with potentially 7/8 Moyes signings hopefully we get the right players in either way and we can be much more positive than previous seasons.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Nah, the best football we’ve played in Premier League was under Martinez. People do want to be entertained. That’s exactly what Klopp did, he knew the team wasn’t going to win the league when he came in so he played fast exciting, entertaining football to buy him time until he could build a team that could win the league. Playing boring football this time around just isn’t going to cut it.

No what he did do was move them forward every season. 8th, 4th, CL final, 2nd. He bought time because he was moving forward. I can tell you right now for certain if he’d have dropped out of the CL places at any point in those first few seasons and started going backwards then those fans would have hounded him out regardless of the football.

Slot is playing perhaps the most boring football I’ve ever seen from a league title winner. Guardiola’s treble team was nowhere near as ‘exciting’ as his 17/18 team. Does anyone care? No, because they’re winning.

It’s fine to say you want excitement whilst winning games but there is zero excitement in losing and drawing games regardless of how you play. Everyone saying ‘I just wish we’d go for it’ really just means ‘I just wish we’d win’. Because when we go for it with a high line away at Spurs or Chelsea and get ripped apart 4 or 5-0 I can tell you right now not a single person on here would find that entertaining.

People want exciting winning football which is just about the hardest thing in football to produce and is the goal of just about every top team with even only a few of them able to pull it off.