2024/25 David Moyes

[Nymzee]

Because that's more realistically where we'd be?

Who out of the current crop would you hope to have dropped to the bench for Leeds mate in favour of realistic starters between now and then?

I'm fine with a fit starting XI that played vs Newcastle, playing vs Leeds.

But a few aren't fit and on the bench we haven't got any decent backup.

 

[little elfin]

In the last ten years, we usually bin the managers in their second season...

 

[ToffeeTim]

How many games constitutes a full season mate? and when does it last until?

I know how long a season lasts but terrible starts have been a big reason why we ended up in relegation battles. If we start better then we can have a comfortable mid table season. But if we don't prepare properly we will never have a good start. This league is just way too competitive to go into August unprepared and expect to pick up results.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

I'm fine with a fit starting XI that played vs Newcastle, playing vs Leeds.

But a few aren't fit and on the bench we haven't got any decent backup.

I updated my post to also say 'except injuries' because they're actually at the club and injuries can't be helped - and we shouldn't be making short-term transfer decisions based on injuries anyway (unless it's a loan or something).

Agree with your first sentence and I reckon that's achievable. So that would likely mean a bench containing Travers, Aznou and Barry with a couple of youth at worst?

 

[John from Bootle]

He performed very well. He did what they hired him for: keep us up. The question then was, when that job was completed successfully: is he the right man to attract players in a new era and take us forward?

That was a decision point. I very much doubt David Moyes would have been the Friedkin choice if Sean Dyche got us comfortably to safety this summer and they then decided to replace. But it is what it is. They decided to keep him. Fair enough. I don't object as the man has always been competent, whatever his faults. But if you are going to keep Moyes, you HAVE to back him. Everything else is just excuses. Up to now, they haven't. Now, maybe they will get the finger out and he ends up reasonably satisfied. But if they don't, things could get messy for both Moyes and the Friedkins.

The bitter truth for the Friedkins and their expectation management is we actually had a manager whose reputation preceeded him: Carlo Ancelotti. If the incompetent Farhad Moshiri could land a man of that calibre, why are we saying that the super-competent, visionary Friedkins couldn't? By the way, for the avoidance of doubt, I am not saying they SHOULD have. I think that was a coup for Moshiri - largely circumstantial - but the idea that Everton could never get top quality is for the birds if the vision and financing is there.

I was - and am - happy for Moyes to continue. BUT HE HAS TO BE BACKED. And, no, he was never the face of the future that might have appealed to players that we are struggling to get. In that sense, and in the absence of picking off an Iraola or attracting a Simeone, then our recruitment team needs to work that bit harder. It really shouldn't be beyond them.

Well, I disagree. We've seen before, an idiot owner handing a manager a contract when he had no intention of letting him see it out (Moshiri, Allardyce.) It was idiotic then and it would be idiotic now. If you want a manager for 4 months, offer them a 4 month deal. If they refuse, go elsewhere. If you hand them a longer deal, give them the opportunity to see it out, at least until it looks like they're not doing a decent job. Anything else would just lead us down the scattergun approach adopted by Moshiri.

Simeone is not coming here mate, and I'm not sure Iraola has the pull you think he does. He's doing a decent enough job, but then so is Marco Silva, and plenty of other managers who nobody views as elite or total game changers when it comes to luring players.

 

[Houghty19]

Anybody feel that with the moaning Moyes is doing about transfers makes it likely that he's not getting an extension to his contract and possibly replaced before it's up? By the way i think the moaning is correct but when you have a good moan at your employers it tends not to go too well for the complainer.

 

[Marius57]

Anybody feel that with the moaning Moyes is doing about transfers makes it likely that he's not getting an extension to his contract and possibly replaced before it's up? By the way i think the moaning is correct but when you have a good moan at your employers it tends not to go too well for the complainer.

When he still has 2 years left, I doubt that’s what he is thinking about. I’d be surprised if he gets an extension beyond that, and I don’t think that was ever really in the thinking behind appointing him, which I think he knows.

He is here to stabilise and get us ready (and be part of) passing us on to a a younger manager.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

I know how long a season lasts but terrible starts have been a big reason why we ended up in relegation battles. If we start better then we can have a comfortable mid table season. But if we don't prepare properly we will never have a good start. This league is just way too competitive to go into August unprepared and expect to pick up results.

We were never realistically in one last season and the only reason we were in one under Dyche in his last full season was because of the points deduction which put us down there temporarily..

 

[Rita_Poon]

ooc list
arsenal - 1 - partey
villa - 2 - hause olson
bournmouth - 1 - mepham
brentford - 2 - dasilva, mee
brighton - 0
chelsea - 1 - bergstrom
palace - 3 - schlupp, plange, ward
Everton - 8 - 2 retained. we all know the list by now.
fulham - 4 - willian, vinicius, cairney since retained & tete.
ipswich - 2 - luongo, baggott
leicester - 2 - vardy, ward
rs - 0
city - 2 - carson, kdb
manutd - 3 - lindelof, eriksen, evans
newcastle - 3 - ruddy, lewis, wilson
forest - 2 - hennessey, toffolo
southampton - 3 - lallana, stephens, walker-peters
spurs - 3 - forster, reguilon, whiteman
west ham - 6 - antonio, coufal, cresswell, fabianski, ings, zouma
wolves - 3 - dawson, semedo, sarabia

What makes our position more pronounced is that 4 loans finished as well. (I cba going through loan stuff for the rest of the league, they can all get knotted!) harrison, lindstrom, broja, mangala, we got a lot of games from mangala, then he and we got very unlucky. I would be surprised if Moyes made the kind of wasted loans we saw last season, considering he brought alcaraz in asap and made that loan permanent pretty quick also.
There's only really west ham in a similar position. No idea how the insurers work out the antonio coverage.

We're still suffering the fallout from getting little if anything back from sizeable outlays from previous regimes. Besides a league firsts of points deductions. The slugs in the fa can get knotted to!

 

[Lanolin]

I'm fine with a fit starting XI that played vs Newcastle, playing vs Leeds.

But a few aren't fit and on the bench we haven't got any decent backup.

Two of that starting XI have left, as have 2 of the 3 subs we used.

 

[Nymzee]

Two of that starting XI have left, as have 2 of the 3 subs we used.

I hadn't actually checked the lineup, I thought it was stronger that that. I meant basically our strongest XI last season, I'm happy to start this season.

Pickford
O'Brien
Tark
Branthwaite
Myko
Gana
Garner
McNeil
Charly
Ndiaye
Beto

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Two of that starting XI have left, as have 2 of the 3 subs we used.

Tarkowski, Branthwaite & Barry make some of that up at least. Another wide forward through the door and that's instantly an improvement on that squad that went to Newcastle. Not beyond the realms of possibility, but not the end of the world if not either..

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Anybody feel that with the moaning Moyes is doing about transfers makes it likely that he's not getting an extension to his contract and possibly replaced before it's up? By the way i think the moaning is correct but when you have a good moan at your employers it tends not to go too well for the complainer.

I think he knows that he won’t get multiple seasons without signs of progression.
It’s only fair for him to expect the administration to provide him with the tools to do his job adequately.
I do wonder , however, how much influence he has had in the change of system and in the choice of players we have pursued so far.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Last season, when the season before we finished with enough points for 13th, Dyche said essentially we're fighting relegation cuz that's as good as these players are. People agreed for some reason.

This season, the manager says that the last few years the team was around the relegation zone for most of the season - "HOW DARE HE?!?!?!"

Ok then.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Last season, when the season before we finished with enough points for 13th, Dyche said essentially we're fighting relegation cuz that's as good as these players are. People agreed for some reason.

This season, the manager says that the last few years the team was around the relegation zone for most of the season - "HOW DARE HE?!?!?!"

Ok then.

I mean, did they? the reason why the first half of last season went so poorly was mainly because of Dyche rather than the players. Didn't think many people actually disputed this?