2024/25 David Moyes

[Curtis]

The players gave up.

He had to take the painful choice to do what was right for the club rather than him.

Anyway, this is old ground.

The notion that Dyche who'd run up 48 points in a season would have struggled to get nowhere near the paltry total we have now is for the birds.

Such revisionist history, the players despite having to adhere to extreme negative and rigid tactics were very spirited on numerous games where it was obvious the dinosaur's approach to the game affected the players and put them at a significant disadvantage this only winning two games under dyche and looking in contention for relegation. For such a die hard Everton fan do you even like any of these players?

 

[davek]

Such revisionist history, the players despite having to adhere to extreme negative and rigid tactics were very spirited on numerous games where it was obvious the dinosaur's approach to the game affected the players and put them at a significant disadvantage this only winning two games under dyche and looking in contention for relegation. For such a die hard Everton fan do you even like any of these players?

The players gave their all in the points deduction season, then they somehow couldn't raise their game for Dyche. They didn't pack it in. I dont think that's being said; they just couldn't see a way of getting 3 points per game.

It happens. A collective loss of nerve by all parties.

Dyche did the right thing by us and said "that's as far as I can take them".

No Everton player subsequently has attacked Dyche or contradicted that so I'm accepting that version of events.

We owe Dyche 1.5 seasons where he kept us up; the third season he left when we were out of the relegation zone with a game in hand.

That's not rewriting history, it's just plain fact.

 

[Bob Elstone]

The players gave their all in the points deduction season, then they somehow couldn't raise their game for Dyche. They didn't pack it in. I dont think that's being said; they just couldn't see a way of getting 3 points per game.

It happens. A collective loss of nerve by all parties.

Dyche did the right thing by us and said "that's as far as I can take them".

No Everton player subsequently has attacked Dyche or contradicted that so I'm accepting that version of events.

We owe Dyche 1.5 seasons where he kept us up; the third season he left when we were out of the relegation zone with a game in hand.

That's not rewriting history, it's just plain fact.

Yes and he refused to leave despite saying he couldn’t take them any further.

No integrity, just sits there waiting for his handout.

 

[Lob]

The players gave their all in the points deduction season, then they somehow couldn't raise their game for Dyche. They didn't pack it in. I dont think that's being said; they just couldn't see a way of getting 3 points per game.

It happens. A collective loss of nerve by all parties.

Dyche did the right thing by us and said "that's as far as I can take them".

No Everton player subsequently has attacked Dyche or contradicted that so I'm accepting that version of events.

We owe Dyche 1.5 seasons where he kept us up; the third season he left when we were out of the relegation zone with a game in hand.

That's not rewriting history, it's just plain fact.

Honestly mate, who gives a toss about Dyche. He is in the past now like Allardyce and the waiter. This is the Moyes thread and the last thing i want to read on here is about Sean 'the runs not really that bad on paper if you add some wins in' Dyche.

 

[CielosGrises]

3 of the players you have said are on loan.

Yep - free the wages and get someone else.

 

[Furey1878]

Yes and he refused to leave despite saying he couldn’t take them any further.

No integrity, just sits there waiting for his handout.

Not sure that's entirely fair or true, mate. The days of managers walking away on pure principal like Joe Royal are well and truly gone.

Dyche could have sat there and taken bad results for a few more weeks and he'd have likely got a full payout, bizarrely. Instead, he acknowledged it was time to go, and in doing so opened the door for the Friedkens to not give him his full payout. We won't know the full details of the pay off he did get until he pens one of those books on Everton that he keeps alluding to, but from all reports Dyche didn't get his full payout, there was a settlement reached.

Given the previous 1.5 seasons, I'm happy enough to see Dyche leave the club with some sort of pay off. As opposed to all the abject failures before him who probably all got the rest of their contract paid off.

 

[Terrarian]

Not sure that's entirely fair or true, mate. The days of managers walking away on pure principal like Joe Royal are well and truly gone.

Dyche could have sat there and taken bad results for a few more weeks and he'd have likely got a full payout, bizarrely. Instead, he acknowledged it was time to go, and in doing so opened the door for the Friedkens to not give him his full payout. We won't know the full details of the pay off he did get until he pens one of those books on Everton that he keeps alluding to, but from all reports Dyche didn't get his full payout, there was a settlement reached.

Given the previous 1.5 seasons, I'm happy enough to see Dyche leave the club with some sort of pay off. As opposed to all the abject failures before him who probably all got the rest of their contract paid off.

I think he had enough money out of us for the dross he served up. He was overly compensated with ridiculous wages, a pay off for failing, only in football.

How many millions do you need before you need more millions?

 

[Gilbert..]

The players gave their all in the points deduction season, then they somehow couldn't raise their game for Dyche. They didn't pack it in. I dont think that's being said; they just couldn't see a way of getting 3 points per game.

It happens. A collective loss of nerve by all parties.

Dyche did the right thing by us and said "that's as far as I can take them".

No Everton player subsequently has attacked Dyche or contradicted that so I'm accepting that version of events.

We owe Dyche 1.5 seasons where he kept us up; the third season he left when we were out of the relegation zone with a game in hand.

That's not rewriting history, it's just plain fact.

By 1 point. Get the bunting out lol
I tell you another fact. We were no better or worse than ipswich. Oh sorry. We were. By a point.
Anyone who thinks we were not in trouble under dyche is a deluded idiot. That was as bad a set up, approach and poor game stats as ive seen in all my years following Everton. If i was ipswich around the time he was still here i'd have been latching onto Everton as my hopes of survival.
The minute he left and Moyes came in killed it for ipswich.

 

[Furey1878]

I think he had enough money out of us for the dross he served up. He was overly compensated with ridiculous wages, a pay off for failing, only in football.

How many millions do you need before you need more millions?

I don't know anything about you, but I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that like me you're not a millionaire. But I imagine, in whatever line of work you are in, you keep an eye on what you are paid and the benefits offered by your employer in relation to other similar jobs and companies.

I agree with you on pure principal, but in practice why would anyone deny themselves a pay off that, at least by the standards of their industry, they believe themselves to be owed?

Dyche "earned" his coin much more than Lampard, Benitez, Allardyce and Silva did.

 

[Terrarian]

I don't know anything about you, but I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that like me you're not a millionaire. But I imagine, in whatever line of work you are in, you keep an eye on what you are paid and the benefits offered by your employer in relation to other similar jobs and companies.

I agree with you on pure principal, but in practice why would anyone deny themselves a pay off that, at least by the standards of their industry, they believe themselves to be owed?

Dyche "earned" his coin much more than Lampard, Benitez, Allardyce and Silva did.

I was moaning at the system, nothing you said. I agree, of course I'd take what I could get. I just hate the way managers in football get sacked but then have their contracts paid up. Doesn't happen in any other profession.

 

[John from Bootle]

Doesn't happen in any other profession.

I'd assume it's a legal thing. You can be the hardest working manager in the world, you can even be super talented, but if a few players take to not liking you or you get a bit of bad luck with injuries or decisions you can be out on your ear in no time.

What I'm trying to say is, I reckon the game would be drowning in 'unfair dismissal' claims if they didn't just pay up in most cases.

 

[Iana]

I was moaning at the system, nothing you said. I agree, of course I'd take what I could get. I just hate the way managers in football get sacked but then have their contracts paid up. Doesn't happen in any other profession.

I think if you get sacked and leave immediately your employment contract regarding notice needs to be adhered to…depending on the cause of the sacking.

In most professions at a managerial level, a parting of the ways is normally accompanied by a settlement agreement including a NDA which protects both parties .

 

[Lanolin]

I'd assume it's a legal thing. You can be the hardest working manager in the world, you can even be super talented, but if a few players take to not liking you or you get a bit of bad luck with injuries or decisions you can be out on your ear in no time.

What I'm trying to say is, I reckon the game would be drowning in 'unfair dismissal' claims if they didn't just pay up in most cases

Performance is also very subjective in most cases. It's extremely unlikely that there was a clause in Dyche's contract saying he could be sacked if we were 17th considering we were 19th when he got the job so there's no way it would stand up legally to say 'yeah we just ended his contract because we felt like somebody else could do a better job'.

 

[MikeH72]

I don't know anything about you, but I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that like me you're not a millionaire. But I imagine, in whatever line of work you are in, you keep an eye on what you are paid and the benefits offered by your employer in relation to other similar jobs and companies.

I agree with you on pure principal, but in practice why would anyone deny themselves a pay off that, at least by the standards of their industry, they believe themselves to be owed?

Dyche "earned" his coin much more than Lampard, Benitez, Allardyce and Silva did.

How did he earn it more than Silva and Allardyce?

 

[Curtis]

You know what to fully honor dyche's contributions and to signify the the continued work done to improve the club by Moyes" return ,I will dye my pubes red in tribute..... Hopefully this makes Dave happy