2024/25 David Moyes

[degsy]

Well he relegated Burnley twice, so it's not that unbelievable.

But anyway, he's a radio presenter now, so it doesn't matter.

True

In Moyes we trust.

 

[Bluelenny1984]

The players gave up.

He had to take the painful choice to do what was right for the club rather than him.

Anyway, this is old ground.

The notion that Dyche who'd run up 48 points in a season would have struggled to get nowhere near the paltry total we have now is for the birds.

No Dyche gave up! We all know and we could all see it, it just doesn’t suit your agenda to admit it.

 

[matty1878]

Moyes has turned what would have been draws into a couple of wins. The last few months, probably since Brentford, standards have slipped again, and we seem to be drawing games that are there to be won. United and Ipswich are prime examples of this, and with the next two similar sort of games, I can see tow more flat performances before a no show up at Newcastle where we get spanked 3 or 4 nil. The way things have gone these last few weeks its like Dyche has returned, except we`re actually scoring .

well it’s not like dyche has returned

ATALL

 

[matty1878]

The players gave up.

He had to take the painful choice to do what was right for the club rather than him.

Anyway, this is old ground.

The notion that Dyche who'd run up 48 points in a season would have struggled to get nowhere near the paltry total we have now is for the birds.

LOL LOL

dyche gave up FACT

 

[PITA]

Maybe we can find a 20+ goal a season striker for just a bit less. Forest look like they'll make the CL. With the right level of ambition from the board and management team maybe we can do likewise

I think their chance has gone.

 

[davids]

I think their chance has gone.

They might get a result today. I hold out hope for them, they've proved you can come from a position similar to ours and compete for European football.

 

[Toffeepot]

The players gave up.

He had to take the painful choice to do what was right for the club rather than him.

Anyway, this is old ground.

The notion that Dyche who'd run up 48 points in a season would have struggled to get nowhere near the paltry total we have now is for the birds.

I'd give up too if my boss was growling the same tactics at me every week that clearly weren't working and he clearly had no clue how to pivot to anything else

 

[PITA]

They might get a result today. I hold out hope for them, they've proved you can come from a position similar to ours and compete for European football.

I think that you're being unrealistic. RS, City and Arsenal will be top 3. Chelsea are likely to finish top 5. Yet you made these posts.

Im

I'm all for stability but there needs to be a level of expectation. Moyse has always been a pragmatist first. The fact that both Newcastle and Villa have both been in the Championship not too long ago and now look like they're going to both be in the CL means we should be able to do it too. Time will tell.

Maybe we can find a 20+ goal a season striker for just a bit less. Forest look like they'll make the CL. With the right level of ambition from the board and management team maybe we can do likewise

7 into 5 doesn't work.

 

[davids]

I think that you're being unrealistic. RS, City and Arsenal will be top 3. Chelsea are likely to finish top 5. Yet you made these posts.





7 into 5 doesn't work.

Few games left yet.And even if it isn't CL Forest will get European football. I'd be more than happy with that after another year.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

I'm not entirely convinced that he'll fundamentally change the mentality of the club over the longer term.

Also feel that, whilst he is a decent coach, he also has his limitations..

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

2-2 v Ipswich -Moyes

2-2 v Man United - Moyes

2-3 v Bournemouth - Dyche

2-3 v Aston Villa - Dyche


Moyes is winning in the 'picking up points after blowing a two-goal lead' trophy.

Go Moyesie!

 

[Timbucktoo]

well it’s not like dyche has returned

ATALL

Did Saturday not revive any memories of that Bournemouth game early in the season?

 

[wandyr79]

The players gave up.

He had to take the painful choice to do what was right for the club rather than him.

Anyway, this is old ground.

The notion that Dyche who'd run up 48 points in a season would have struggled to get nowhere near the paltry total we have now is for the birds.

I think what you are ignoring is the reasons why players might 'give up'. We can't just say the players 'gave up' and accept it without thinking about the reasons for 'giving up'.

The only reason I can think of is that they were fed up of more or less being told to not shoot (hyperbole I know, but I don't think it is far from being realistic). The comments from the players in the weeks after Moyes came in does point to this being the case. They knew that they were on a sinking ship and had lost all belief that things were going to change. They were reading about zero shots against Bournemouth and thinking 'Yeah, that is bloody awful', then going into training and hearing the manager talk about defending (obviously we don't know what exactly was discussed, but I doubt there was too much about solving the lack of shots).

Last season Dyche was a good fit for a team who were angry, a team who felt hard done by and had the feeling that certain people were against them. He was a motivator in that sense, but as soon as that anger had gone away, and we needed to get down to improving as a balanced football team, he fell apart.

We can't compare points totals, we can look at comparing the draws between the 2 managers but Dyche, in a lot of peoples opinion was taking us down. We were getting worse as every match came about. I think it is not a stretch to say he would have taken us down.

Moyes has shown with the right positive attitude this team can score goals, it was never going to be perfect but in most drawn games, we have played well enough to say 'Yep, we could have won that', instead of 'Phew, we were lucky not to lose that'.

 

[PITA]

I think what you are ignoring is the reasons why players might 'give up'. We can't just say the players 'gave up' and accept it without thinking about the reasons for 'giving up'.

The only reason I can think of is that they were fed up of more or less being told to not shoot (hyperbole I know, but I don't think it is far from being realistic). The comments from the players in the weeks after Moyes came in does point to this being the case. They knew that they were on a sinking ship and had lost all belief that things were going to change. They were reading about zero shots against Bournemouth and thinking 'Yeah, that is bloody awful', then going into training and hearing the manager talk about defending (obviously we don't know what exactly was discussed, but I doubt there was too much about solving the lack of shots).

Last season Dyche was a good fit for a team who were angry, a team who felt hard done by and had the feeling that certain people were against them. He was a motivator in that sense, but as soon as that anger had gone away, and we needed to get down to improving as a balanced football team, he fell apart.

We can't compare points totals, we can look at comparing the draws between the 2 managers but Dyche, in a lot of peoples opinion was taking us down. We were getting worse as every match came about. I think it is not a stretch to say he would have taken us down.

Moyes has shown with the right positive attitude this team can score goals, it was never going to be perfect but in most drawn games, we have played well enough to say 'Yep, we could have won that', instead of 'Phew, we were lucky not to lose that'.

I'm sure that the players did have shots at goal in training but only to give Pickford some 'defending' practice.

 

[davek]

I think what you are ignoring is the reasons why players might 'give up'. We can't just say the players 'gave up' and accept it without thinking about the reasons for 'giving up'.

The only reason I can think of is that they were fed up of more or less being told to not shoot (hyperbole I know, but I don't think it is far from being realistic). The comments from the players in the weeks after Moyes came in does point to this being the case. They knew that they were on a sinking ship and had lost all belief that things were going to change. They were reading about zero shots against Bournemouth and thinking 'Yeah, that is bloody awful', then going into training and hearing the manager talk about defending (obviously we don't know what exactly was discussed, but I doubt there was too much about solving the lack of shots).

Last season Dyche was a good fit for a team who were angry, a team who felt hard done by and had the feeling that certain people were against them. He was a motivator in that sense, but as soon as that anger had gone away, and we needed to get down to improving as a balanced football team, he fell apart.

We can't compare points totals, we can look at comparing the draws between the 2 managers but Dyche, in a lot of peoples opinion was taking us down. We were getting worse as every match came about. I think it is not a stretch to say he would have taken us down.

Moyes has shown with the right positive attitude this team can score goals, it was never going to be perfect but in most drawn games, we have played well enough to say 'Yep, we could have won that', instead of 'Phew, we were lucky not to lose that'.

There's a lot of truth in that...and there's a lot of re-writing of history to accommodate unprofessional players.

Moyes is learning now what a bunch of no class halfwits most of them are.