2024/25 David Moyes

[blueboy72]

Sell to buy.

If you call that having cash, so be it...

Won’t be sell to buy,
You carry on thinking what you want,but you’re miles off

 

[windymiller]

Iraola is another flavour of the month manager like hundreds of others who've come and gone down the years.

Moyes will still be managing in the Prem when Iraola in back in Spain managing in Segunda B.

Moyes isnt the 3rd longest serving manager in Premier League history for nothing.

This is quite possibly true. Moyes is a very experienced manager and can keep most (not all, he pooped the bed at Sunderland) teams in mid-table in the PL with the odd European jaunt. Not bad. But he can't do it at the very top end of the league. His record against the scab six, particularly away from home, is very poor and he failed his big club audition at Man Utd, albeit following in an unfollowable manager. In other words you know roughly what you're going to get with Moyes. If we want to move beyond that we're either going to have to get an established top end manager and back then, difficult with our recent history and resources, or take a punt on a "flavour of the month" with the knowledge that it's a risk and may not work.

 

[Gilbert..]

think we have struggled with an injury crisis all season.
I’m not taking anything away from Moyes because there has been an upturn but he is dealing with what Dyche did. It is hard to create anything consistently with this side.
Teams like Vila and forest have clearly spent money to take them to the next level. Both teams rolled the dice and it worked, but it is small margins and can go wrong.
Villa now have squad capable of competing two days a week.

Neither Moyes or Dyche have had that. We have an 11 they can grind results out. But beyond that there isn’t enough surprises in the squad.

Dyche had Jake O'brien right under his nose and never started him once. He loses any sympathy vote regarding what was available.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Yes, and now we're past all that

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

The team that played in the 2009 cup final was the peak of team 1.

Then he rebuilt a handy second team.

But that was a young and hungry Moyes.

This feller cant even be arsed looking at our new world class stadium...

Martyn, Hibbert, Weir, Stubbs, Pistone, Osman (Gravesen 58), Watson, Carsley, Cahill, Kilbane (Naysmith 73), Bent (Ferguson 73). Subs Not Used: Wright, McFadden.

Did well to reach the 2009 cup final years after finishing fourth.

 

[CielosGrises]

This is quite possibly true. Moyes is a very experienced manager and can keep most (not all, he pooped the bed at Sunderland) teams in mid-table in the PL with the odd European jaunt. Not bad. But he can't do it at the very top end of the league. His record against the scab six, particularly away from home, is very poor and he failed his big club audition at Man Utd, albeit following in an unfollowable manager. In other words you know roughly what you're going to get with Moyes. If we want to move beyond that we're either going to have to get an established top end manager and back then, difficult with our recent history and resources, or take a punt on a "flavour of the month" with the knowledge that it's a risk and may not work.

We are the last chance he has of getting another trophy so I'm expecting him to be a bit bolder than before, given a chance.

Anyway, managers mean nothing if we can't build a quality squad.

We seem to have missed out on some quality achievable buys in Moshiris time - if only we'd had Guimares, Gibbs White, Kudus, even Elanga - from memory we were linked with all of them.

 

[Goat]

Yes, and in the ven diagram of those groups there will be some overlap and those people are crazy but the much larger groups will be those demanding he experiment but aren't concerned about the results and another, completely separate, group who are very concerned with results and do not want experimentation. GoT is a broad church.

I dont believe there are more 2 views on this issue.

Its either black or white, there is no grey.

Good day to you Sir.

 

[twoblue]

Dyche had Jake O'brien right under his nose and never started him once. He loses any sympathy vote regarding what was available.

say what you want about Dyche but the defence wasn’t the problem. Playing Jake o’brown would have kept his job

 

[TheNinja]

Just read the last few pages... Davek is most certainly not a human being, if there was still any doubt.

 

[Gilbert..]

say what you want about Dyche but the defence wasn’t the problem. Playing Jake o’brown would have kept his job

Thats not strictly true is it. This has been done to death but the set up of dyche was to the detriment of any attacking. He was quite happy to neglect other parts of the game like scoring and winning by just sitting in.
If ever any proof was needed and its ironic mentioning O'Brien. The goal he scored at Brentford. Well for starters he wouldnt have been on the pitch if Dyche had still been here. And you can bet your life he wouldnt have been in the oppositions box. We now all know he had a good player all season and for whatever bizare reason wasnt picking him.
This the defence wasnt the problem with Dyche doesnt wash. Its because he never had the ability as a manager to offer much more than come and break us down.
Living the dream watching that year in year out.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

say what you want about Dyche but the defence wasn’t the problem. Playing Jake o’brown would have kept his job

The famous hotshot striker O’Brown? The serial soiler of defences around the land?

 

[PercyPlant]

say what you want about Dyche but the defence wasn’t the problem. Playing Jake o’brown would have kept his job

Can I have I have absolutely zero clue about football for 500 please

 

[windymiller]

We are the last chance he has of getting another trophy so I'm expecting him to be a bit bolder than before, given a chance.

Anyway, managers mean nothing if we can't build a quality squad.

We seem to have missed out on some quality achievable buys in Moshiris time - if only we'd had Guimares, Gibbs White, Kudus, even Elanga - from memory we were linked with all of them.

I hope you're right. I just don't think he's got the cahones to take on the "Sky" clubs. Our only chance of a trophy under Moyes is favourable draws with a lot of home ties in the league cup, in my opinion. He won the Europa Conference League but, until Fiorentina in the final, West Ham played AZ Alkmaar, Gent and a Cypriot team in the knockout phase, he didn't really beat anyone of significance. He's not a big game manager.

 

[windymiller]

I dont believe there are more 2 views on this issue.

Its either black or white, there is no grey.

Good day to you Sir.

Ah, the @davek thesis. That always turns out well.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I hope you're right. I just don't think he's got the cahones to take on the "Sky" clubs. Our only chance of a trophy under Moyes is favourable draws with a lot of home ties in the league cup, in my opinion. He won the Europa Conference League but, until Fiorentina in the final, West Ham played AZ Alkmaar, Gent and a Cypriot team in the knockout phase, he didn't really beat anyone of significance. He's not a big game manager.

Had to beat a lot of good sides to qualify in the first place. Broke his duck away to Arsenal and beat Spurs in London last season as well.

Indeed, his record for West Ham in Europe over that whole spell was outstanding.