2024/25 David Moyes

Thought we moved away from football director role, and Moyes identifies players he wants and the transfer committee go and do the deal. Moyes has more or less implied in his after match interviews, that this transfer committee is falling short on siging other identified players.
Moyes thought being Everton and having a new stadium would be enough to convince players, utterly clueless imo, might need to accept that some players won't want too play safety first football either. The slow negotiations are frustrating for everyone I do agree but at the end of the day I think its just trying to avoid a repeat of the last few years, at the end of the day Moyes is not a finance guy and should leave it too those who are. This is why most teams don't do the old school manager thing anymore, they are all just control freaks and the game has moved on and clubs don't (generally) work in a way that befits a character like that imo. The DoF thing didn't work here because we always paired them with managers and not head coach types.
 

Because under Moshiri and with Bill floating like a unflushable turd we never ever really has one with authority, a meddling owner with a favourite agent, bill constantly stirring, recruiting based on individual managers wants, and stylistically changing manager types with no consistency.

If we let Moyes recruit and say in two seasons time he retires, so you think the next appointment would be similar in system and style to Moyes and do you think Moyes would be recruiting for a long term plan or just to maximise results whilst he was here?

The first 3 bigger signings LB, Barry and Alcaraz surely let suggest the focus is long term. The problem is when they really work out well here they will go for bigger clubs of course.

But also he wants to improve results and says it's important to get players here.
 
He's on gardening leave from city until September mate. He's not officially at the club.

'Officially' doesn't always mean a lot. It muddies the waters a bit though, as we don't know who is actually identifying the players, seeing as that role is not 'officially' filled.

FWIW I always hold a manager responsible for every signing. Until they have the bollocks to come out and tell us in no uncertain terms that they didn't agree with a signing, then they have to be held accountable, imo. Appreciate it's difficult for them to do that though, as it's potentially publicly humiliating a player.

I'd be amazed if anybody other than Moyes or the scout on gardening leave are identifying the targets. It would stink of poor management if somebody else is just 'filling in' for a couple of months. Only other alternative is that we're running with people identified by other scouts and Thelwell in the past.
 
The first 3 bigger signings LB, Barry and Alcaraz surely let suggest the focus is long term. The problem is when they really work out well here they will go for bigger clubs of course.

But also he wants to improve results and says it's important to get players here.

Oh I think the two don't have to conflict though, I think you can recruit younger players and as long as the manager pays them it can be as effective as recruiting older experienced players but with the payoff of they improve rather than regress. And monetary value has to be a factor in that too.

Moyes is old school, he's rather have a 30yp cm whose been around the block than say a 20yo whose on the rise, zero doubt he will play Mykolenko every gsn unless injured zero doubt he will play McNeil on the right ahead of say Dibling, if we signed the Spanish he'd sit behind O'Brien.

I remember well how cautious he was playing business, Coleman etc, biggest case was Rooney who due to the age he tried to spell his tone despite it being apparent to all the lad was no normal 17yo
 
I've heard through the grapevine that TFG are fine missing out on targets as their approach is make an offer, then wait after it's rejected, then come back with only a slightly improved offer at the last minute

* Taps nose *
 

No more than Moyes, though. And he had a way higher ceiling.

But the managerial personnel is largely irrevelant. What's clear is they don't have the ambition many of us hoped they would.
Disagree. Moyes showed he can get a poor team punching above its weight by a fair amount at West Ham.

Mourinho was poor at Spurs and at other places.
 
Because under Moshiri and with Bill floating like a unflushable turd we never ever really has one with authority, a meddling owner with a favourite agent, bill constantly stirring, recruiting based on individual managers wants, and stylistically changing manager types with no consistency.

If we let Moyes recruit and say in two seasons time he retires, so you think the next appointment would be similar in system and style to Moyes and do you think Moyes would be recruiting for a long term plan or just to maximise results whilst he was here?
I’d rather recruit for the here and now. All these five year plans and the like never amount to anything.

It’s easier to recruit then maintain from and build from a position of strength than to have some pipe dream about developing a winning team of youngsters.

For one thing, all your promising young players will get poached by richer teams as they develop, then you’re back to square one.
 
I’d rather recruit for the here and now. All these five year plans and the like never amount to anything.

It’s easier to recruit then maintain from and build from a position of strength than to have some pipe dream about developing a winning team of youngsters.
We recruited for the here and now under Moshiri mate.

But ok we will recruit year to year by year for the now and end up bridging the gap, how I'm not sure but a fine idea.
 
We recruited for the here and now under Moshiri mate.

But ok we will recruit year to year by year for the now and end up bridging the gap, how I'm not sure but a fine idea.
We recruited badly for the most part and there was no joined up architecture. There’s a reason Alex Ferguson recruited a team of strong professionals at Man Utd. Guys like Brian McClair gave them a platform and led to future success.

Fact is, Moyes has a track record of recruiting well for this league and for teams in our situation. Trying to be Brighton without their proprietary data is doomed to fail.
 
Oh I think the two don't have to conflict though, I think you can recruit younger players and as long as the manager pays them it can be as effective as recruiting older experienced players but with the payoff of they improve rather than regress. And monetary value has to be a factor in that too.

Moyes is old school, he's rather have a 30yp cm whose been around the block than say a 20yo whose on the rise, zero doubt he will play Mykolenko every gsn unless injured zero doubt he will play McNeil on the right ahead of say Dibling, if we signed the Spanish he'd sit behind O'Brien.

I remember well how cautious he was playing business, Coleman etc, biggest case was Rooney who due to the age he tried to spell his tone despite it being apparent to all the lad was no normal 17yo
Moyes is the person the club need to be backing, not a transfer committee.

I just don't agree that Moyes only cares about players for right now this season. He will want players for now and the next 2- 3 seasons and that's right.

You can't just sign young developmental players. You need a mixture.

The DOF model has consistently failed at Everton and Moyes has a track record at Everton.
 

Don't see anything at all incompetent from these owners. They have systematically put in place professionals to do jobs at the club.


Incompetence has been the last 35 years of ownership
Moyes wil get his players before end of the window and we have also signed some long term project players who should rise in value. If that pans out that’s the balance Exactly the way it should be. The full blown dof model works for a very select number of niche clubs with modest ambitions in grand scheme of things
 
We recruited badly for the most part and there was no joined up architecture. There’s a reason Alex Ferguson recruited a team of strong professionals at Man Utd. Guys like Brian McClair gave them a platform and led to future success.

Fact is, Moyes has a track record of recruiting well for this league and for teams in our situation. Trying to be Brighton without their proprietary data is doomed to fail.

All depends on if at every club you attribute recruitment to him or not mate - my memory of Moyes at us is picking up great bargains but absolutely busting out almost every time he paid a big fee.

The games changed hugely those bargains are now the types the Brighton model picks up on through data.

It's nice to remember Cahill and arteta etc, but the same guy recruited Drenthe, AVdM, a can't head a ball centre back for a then massive fee for us, fat pie beattie, and a good few other absolute busts. I won't go into the other clubs after us like west ham etc as I genuinely know he was in control here and I don't at those clubs.
 
All depends on if at every club you attribute recruitment to him or not mate - my memory of Moyes at us is picking up great bargains but absolutely busting out almost every time he paid a big fee.

The games changed hugely those bargains are now the types the Brighton model picks up on through data.

It's nice to remember Cahill and arteta etc, but the same guy recruited Drenthe, AVdM, a can't head a ball centre back for a then massive fee for us, fat pie beattie, and a good few other absolute busts. I won't go into the other clubs after us like west ham etc as I genuinely know he was in control here and I don't at those clubs.
Fellaini was a great big money transfer. Yakubu.
 
Moyes is the person the club need to be backing, not a transfer committee.

I just don't agree that Moyes only cares about players for right now this season. He will want players for now and the next 2- 3 seasons and that's right.

You can't just sign young developmental players. You need a mixture.

The DOF model has consistently failed at Everton and Moyes has a track record at Everton.
So you honestly think Moyes will rather sign a player who will be great for Everton in three years but ok until then over a player who will be good for two then crap?
 

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