Davey's Response to last night

[monty]

Thing is you can't mask a poor performance, and I'm not buying all this old pony about 11 players being out.

We had Cahill, Fellaini, Jo, Yak, Saha, Distin, Billy, Gosling, Rodwell - all fairly experienced per man.

Truth of the matter is, and this is something that is concerning me.

Cahill - Having his worse season for Everton, personally I reckon he has peaked and is now on the decline.

Fellaini - Good player, but not a great player. Seems to play at his own pace, and if he's bad he's really really bad.

Jo - Anybody want to let me know what is the point of this lad? What exactly does he give to the team? He gives the ball away to the other team and seems to go down far too easily. Has no confidence in his own ability (maybe he has no ability) and is about as prolific as Heskey.

Billy - Can this guy actually go around a player? Does he possess that ability? Seems not.

And one other thing why are our players getting injured? A couple you can put down to bad luck, but not all of them. Quite a few players are getting strains, or are not coming back as quickly as expected, that is something to do with the way they are being trained.

One final thing, David Moyes' response last night was disrespectful to the 7000 fans who had travelled over there. Ok, so were apparently depleted, but nobody who isn't a first team player travelled (bar 1 I think), he could have done more with the side, he could have not played Jo, he could have instilled better tactics, prowled the touchline more.

Seems to me he wasn't that arsed and had already accepted that a defeat here isn't a bad thing.

WTF??

Now now Ghost, what happened to the Karma, chill we haven't gone into liquidation or anything

 

[kenada_blue]

So what is he good at then? Arriving late for corners? For me he has been a one trick pony for the last few seasons. I like Cahill, he should be better for us, but he just doesn't do enough.

Doesn't get hold of the ball enough, doesn't make any runs into the box anymore, I don't think we should flog him but I'm certain we have seen his best years.

He makes plenty of runs when he's allowed - Stoke and Wolves proved that he got on the end of a few changes but didnt convert. That is when he's playing more advanced.

Most of the time he's playing very deep with Rodwell. When that happens, he's not the most creative with the ball at his feet and is only playing there because he can tackle and is more physical (more effective than Fellaini, and Osman falls over when the breeze changes). This is mainly due to backing up Rodwell who needs help with his positioning and the physical side of the game.

Other than that, he and Fellaini do seem to inter-change but either they dont do it enough, Fellaini has been chosen to be further forward, or its not working.

That's been Cahill's position since the end of last season. For the last couple of games in Europe he's been played on the wing. I dont even have to mention how that just doesnt work.

If Cahill is playing off the striker or as an advanced midfielder, his link up play, ball winning skills, poistioning and attacking threat are some of the best in the premiership. Play him out of that his game will suffer. Its the same with Osman - effective central midfielder when a solid DM is behind him, piss poor on the wing. Add to that the poor delivery, the lack of creativity without Pienaar, Arteta or even Billy, the more it effects how the team plays as a whole.

The team isnt playing well. You can pick players that are playing better than others but non being exceptional. But to say Cahill is a one trick pony who's peaked and is on his arse, with others saying he should be benched, is totally unfounded and a massive knee jerk.

 

[bluebastardo]

People need to remember the ages of the young kids last night, and in particular Gosling, who is only 19, and had a very hard task to do last night.
Coleman is also a right back, and I thought he did very well considering.
Fellaini is only 21, and Jo is only 22, so we expect a little much from them sometimes.
Yes, it was a bad result, and we were very poor in the 2nd half, but it's a good lesson for our team, and one that they probably will benefit from long term.
Benfica scored well, but other than that, they weren't particularly special. I think our best team would cope very well.

 

[davek]

I still think Coleman's going to be a player, a proper attacking fullback. Needs to improve his defending but that'll come with experience.

Even in a game like yesterday, playing out of position and half fit he was positive and tried to attack.

Gosling's not a fullback but I've been impressed with his heart and willingness to improve, he was ripped a new one yesterday but he doesn't hide. He kept plugging away, looked for the ball and tried to get forward.

He showed that he's not phased about getting forward. Looks a confident lad, so I hope he hasn't been too down about last night's first goal ball watching. I wished Moyes hadn't played him out of position yesterday, though. If you're going to blood them (and I back Moyes in that, regardless of the opposition and venue) at least play them in their best spot. Bilyaletdinov has played LB for Russia. Why Moyes thought he couldn't for Everton is beyond me. I hate to give any rednose praise, but it just underlines what a debut the kid at Liverpool, Martin Kelly, made on Tuesday. He's a CB by trade but he coped very well. Excelled, in fact.

 

[davek]

And one other thing why are our players getting injured? A couple you can put down to bad luck, but not all of them. Quite a few players are getting strains, or are not coming back as quickly as expected, that is something to do with the way they are being trained.

Endorsed 1000%.

This is the elephant in the living room now. Whatever they're doing they need to change it. It's destroying this squad.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I'm so glad this forum is up and running again. Spend my time lurking at Kipper, NSNO and the SOS forum. Especially Kipper was going massively overboard. Certainly not pleased by the result and it did hurt, but clearly injuries were the most important reason for our collapse in the 2nd half. The RS can't even overcome 2 injuries to important players, so how are we expected to cope with an entire team out? Let the result behind us and move on. If we have a fit squad to choose from, Benfica will be made to suffer at Goodison.

 

[nesky]

I feel like I've just walked into a mental institution here, with all the retarded, rose-tinted inanely grinning gushing comments directed at the author of last night's ****wittery. Are you fellas out of your ******* minds? That was an utter scandal, only made worse by Moyes' post match comments. An the crowning turd on the whole [Poor language removed] sundae is this pile of steaming praise for the man on here...

 

[Axlswhk]

Good point davek.
I find coleman awfully similar to hibbert. Uncomfortable with high ball, unable to get pass man, unable to create space for cross, poor crossing, poor ball control.

 

[bluebastardo]

I feel like I've just walked into a mental institution here, with all the retarded, rose-tinted inanely grinning gushing comments directed at the author of last night's ****wittery. Are you fellas out of your ******* minds? That was an utter scandal, only made worse by Moyes' post match comments. An the crowning turd on the whole [Poor language removed] sundae is this pile of steaming praise for the man on here...

I think Most of us are aware at just how bad last night was, and also aware of Moyes' comments.
There's simply little point being negative though as it's history now.
Last night, many of us might have been a bit harsher in our comments, but a good nights sleep works wonders for the soul.
Time to focus on Bolton.

 

[EFC Si]

Thing is you can't mask a poor performance, and I'm not buying all this old pony about 11 players being out.

We had Cahill, Fellaini, Jo, Yak, Saha, Distin, Billy, Gosling, Rodwell - all fairly experienced per man.

Truth of the matter is, and this is something that is concerning me.

Cahill - Having his worse season for Everton, personally I reckon he has peaked and is now on the decline.

Fellaini - Good player, but not a great player. Seems to play at his own pace, and if he's bad he's really really bad.

Jo - Anybody want to let me know what is the point of this lad? What exactly does he give to the team? He gives the ball away to the other team and seems to go down far too easily. Has no confidence in his own ability (maybe he has no ability) and is about as prolific as Heskey.

Billy - Can this guy actually go around a player? Does he possess that ability? Seems not.

And one other thing why are our players getting injured? A couple you can put down to bad luck, but not all of them. Quite a few players are getting strains, or are not coming back as quickly as expected, that is something to do with the way they are being trained.

One final thing, David Moyes' response last night was disrespectful to the 7000 fans who had travelled over there. Ok, so were apparently depleted, but nobody who isn't a first team player travelled (bar 1 I think), he could have done more with the side, he could have not played Jo, he could have instilled better tactics, prowled the touchline more.

Seems to me he wasn't that arsed and had already accepted that a defeat here isn't a bad thing.

WTF??

I agree exactly about Jo. His touch is appalling, he has no pace, no vision, he can't take anyone on but he keeps trying to and just runs straight into the defender, and he can't finish to save his life.

And yeah the injury thing, I just posted my view on another thread. If we have 11 players who are injured one after the other, then there's surely gotta be a cause and like you said it's the way they're being trained or the surface at finch farm. I honestly don't believe that's it's just bad luck.

 

[davek]

I feel like I've just walked into a mental institution here, with all the retarded, rose-tinted inanely grinning gushing comments directed at the author of last night's ****wittery. Are you fellas out of your ******* minds? That was an utter scandal, only made worse by Moyes' post match comments. An the crowning turd on the whole [Poor language removed] sundae is this pile of steaming praise for the man on here...

I dont think it's a matter of wearing rose tinted glasses. We're not playing well and Moyes IS limited as a manager. But the name of the game is qualifying from this group, and though pride is battered I think we'll do that and this will be as bad as it gets performance-wise.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Really you are being hopeful. Do you mean we are so poor the only way is up because we cannot go lower. Come out of the clouds.

 

[kenada_blue]

Really you are being hopeful. Do you mean we are so poor the only way is up because we cannot go lower. Come out of the clouds.

1 centre half playing against a team with one of the highest goal records in Europe. 2 internationals against 2 teenagers who dont play 1st team football.

As Real Madrid, Man Citeh etc last season or countless attacking sides will show you, you can have the best midfield and strikers in the world....but with a shocking defence you'll leak goals against good attackers.

That's what's been put into perspective. That and at we're on a injury crisis, players playing out of position, balance isnt right, lack of creative players....but we've won 2 and lost one and level on points in the Europa League.

Shambles of a performance yes, but within reason. Could've been better, yes, but I feel we still wouldve lost.

If it happens again in the prem then worry. Im putting faith in Moyes to fix something to get a result or a point from Bolton on Sunday.

 

[Axlswhk]

Already 5 consecutive matches.
How many again do you need?

 

[kenada_blue]

Already 5 consecutive matches.
How many again do you need?

With players falling out injured and players being moved around how can Moyes strike up consistancy or balance when every week there's minor changes.

We've been playing shocking, I agree. But for the most part we're putting square pegs in round holes, trying to blood new sigings, develop a team plan which keeps changing, figure out how to get the best from we've got - there's not consistancy at the moment and it results in poor performances.

We dont have a "team" at the moment we have a squad that's slowly getting smaller. Its nothing to do with the players abilities, its how to use them effectively which is looking tough.

I personally would get back to basics, think defencively (spelling) and playing boring as **** footy to stop the other team scoring at the moment.