Cycling thread

[davek]

interesting and the most honest bloke you will ever here from regards cycling


http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...david-walshs-team-sky-coverage-live-on-radio/


@Bruce Wayne @davek

david walsh has profited from a book 'inside team sky' that he wrote, praising the team for being super clean and transparent. I think this book needs to be destroyed.

Kimmage has been vindicated over the Wiggins/Sky stuff. Walsh was like one of those embedded war journalists, completely uncritical and on board with the objectives of his hosts.

Overall on this issue, I just dont get how anyone who has the sport's interest in mind can continue to back Wiggins/Sky/TeamGB. The fig leaf they hide behind is that it isn't illegal to do what they did. But it's quite definitely a means to gain an advantage and the TUEs were used to that end. How can supporting that be consistent with wanting illegal dopers kicked out of cycling? They cant argue for that whilst condoning the misuse of TUEs.

I get that Bruce rode side by side with Wiggins one day and feels some sort of tenuous camaraderie, but these people like Wiggins and almost certainly Froome are in effect cheats and most people accept that now, so it's time to acknowledge that they rode with an unfair advantage and deny them the achievements they "earned" in those years of misuse of drugs for performance enhancement.

 

[Frang]

Kimmage has been vindicated over the Wiggins/Sky stuff. Walsh was like one of those embedded war journalists, completely uncritical and on board with the objectives of his hosts.

Overall on this issue, I just dont get how anyone who has the sport's interest in mind can continue to back Wiggins/Sky/TeamGB. The fig leaf they hide behind is that it isn't illegal to do what they did. But it's quite definitely a means to gain an advantage and the TUEs were used to that end. How can supporting that be consistent with wanting illegal dopers kicked out of cycling? They cant argue for that whilst condoning the misuse of TUEs.

I get that Bruce rode side by side with Wiggins one day and feels some sort of tenuous camaraderie, but these people like Wiggins and almost certainly Froome are in effect cheats and most people accept that now, so it's time to acknowledge that they rode with an unfair advantage and deny them the achievements they "earned" in those years of misuse of drugs for performance enhancement.

quite frankly team sky are finished, well under the guise of dave brailsford they are.

they proclaimed to be doing this all ethically and clean , whilst also saying EVERYTHING would be totally transparent.

the fact that they are tripping over their own rules speaks volumes. they set these rules out and they are the ones violating said boundries.

the wall of silence surrounding jiffygate is utterly deplorable. what is your take on this @Bruce Wayne ??

its obv shane Sutton, the man scorned by british cycling is the one throwing brad under the bus

this is only the start of all this.

 

[Frang]

and another discrepancy is that wiggins initially said his TUE's were regards his asthma and then in this latest interview it was for hay fever??

 

[Bruce Wayne]

quite frankly team sky are finished, well under the guise of dave brailsford they are.

they proclaimed to be doing this all ethically and clean , whilst also saying EVERYTHING would be totally transparent.

the fact that they are tripping over their own rules speaks volumes. they set these rules out and they are the ones violating said boundries.

the wall of silence surrounding jiffygate is utterly deplorable. what is your take on this @Bruce Wayne ??

its obv shane Sutton, the man scorned by british cycling is the one throwing brad under the bus

this is only the start of all this.

I've outlined my thoughts on this earlier in the thread mate. This bizarre episode is Collins out to make a name for himself and is basically one anonymous source saying stuff. That's pretty much the whole basis of this story. No one at Sky was asked to respond to those allegations in the report. No evidence was provided to corroborate the allegation. Heck, the drug used in the TUE doesn't even have any performance benefits.

It's a bit of a joke tbh and as a learned man I'm surprised Dave has been suckered in by it. I'm sure if that kind of report was submitted to his university it would be laughed out of the room. As it is, literally the only reason it's been published because Collins can hide behind parliamentary privilege and publish whatever he likes with no legal repercussions.

Wiggins, and also Richie Porte and Chris Froome seeing as the 'anonymous source accuses all of those in that training group, may well dope for all I know. Goodness knows, the history of the sport encourages scepticism, but this report proves absolutely nothing of the sort.

 

[Frang]

I've outlined my thoughts on this earlier in the thread mate. This bizarre episode is Collins out to make a name for himself and is basically one anonymous source saying stuff. That's pretty much the whole basis of this story. No one at Sky was asked to respond to those allegations in the report. No evidence was provided to corroborate the allegation. Heck, the drug used in the TUE doesn't even have any performance benefits.

It's a bit of a joke tbh and as a learned man I'm surprised Dave has been suckered in by it. I'm sure if that kind of report was submitted to his university it would be laughed out of the room. As it is, literally the only reason it's been published because Collins can hide behind parliamentary privilege and publish whatever he likes with no legal repercussions.

Wiggins, and also Richie Porte and Chris Froome seeing as the 'anonymous source accuses all of those in that training group, may well dope for all I know. Goodness knows, the history of the sport encourages scepticism, but this report proves absolutely nothing of the sort.

I take it this is a sarcastic post bruce?

 

[Frang]

what about the complete lack of medical records.. at elite level cycling who employ their own doctor. NO RECORDS ??

 

[Black Belt Jones]

what about the complete lack of medical records.. at elite level cycling who employ their own doctor. NO RECORDS ??

Records were ok, just no one could read his writing...

Froome and Wiggins are partial to a few toots on the asthma inhaler, no doubt about it - but that ain't no crime

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

@Bruce Wayne how long have you been cycling and, if it's over 10 years...do you have any chronic knee or back problems?

 

[Frang]

@Bruce Wayne how long have you been cycling and, if it's over 10 years...do you have any chronic knee or back problems?

the tramadol see's to that.. at the moment.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I take it this is a sarcastic post bruce?

Not at all.

@Bruce Wayne how long have you been cycling and, if it's over 10 years...do you have any chronic knee or back problems?

Riding for quite a while, but properly (as in keeping a training diary and knocking out 10,000km+ a year) for around a decade now. No knee or back problems to date. You're having some presumably?

 

[Armel]

Amid all the hullaballoo about Wiggins, I'd almost forgotten to post the photo I've been dining out on ever since of me just about to overtake him over the top of the Passo Sella last summer.

I never saw him using an inhaler either, although strangely he was quite a bit less out of breath than I was.

Are you the one in red on the right ?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Are you the one in red on the right ?

I am.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

@Bruce Wayne how long have you been cycling and, if it's over 10 years...do you have any chronic knee or back problems?

Cycling is superb for working serious fitness with minimal injury risk - Bruce probably has the knees and back of a 20 year old. The very slight risk that does exist with road riding is acute onset of death from a car crash. Mountain biking also involves a fair amount of crashing [usually non-serious] if you want to learn to get good and ride difficult terrain. This makes it hard to take up in middle age as most of us can't afford to be laid up 6 weeks broken if we get something badly wrong on the trail.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Cycling is superb for working serious fitness with minimal injury risk - Bruce probably has the knees and back of a 20 year old. The very slight risk that does exist with road riding is acute onset of death from a car crash. Mountain biking also involves a fair amount of crashing [usually non-serious] if you want to learn to get good and ride difficult terrain. This makes it hard to take up in middle age as most of us can't afford to be laid up 6 weeks broken if we get something badly wrong on the trail.

Aye, it is fairly gentle on the body, although I would advocate a bike fit if you plan on doing a reasonable distance. Depending upon how sporting you want your position on the bike as well, you might benefit from yoga or something similar to get flexibility in your upper body. That's only really needed if you're time trialling though.

 

[Armel]

Cavendish keeps falling. Boonen did the same towards the end of his career. I don't think it will be long before his retirement. In hindsight Boonen would have been better off stopping a bit sooner. Because of the Abu Dhabi fall (on his head) he now has permanent tinnitus.

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