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[Oddball]

Really? Did you watch it?

He was talking about ‘the degenerate, woke, politically correct, neo-Marxists ideas which are part of a satanic impulse within’.

Sounds like leaning heavily into the culture war to me.

did i watch the video posted a few pages ago? no. i think the totalitarian left are degenerates too and the thin end of the political correctness wedge has been way surpassed which is the neo-Marxists MO. as for `a satanic impulse within` - i understand this as the inherent good/evil that runs through the heart of every man and you have the freedom to choose your own path. you say `leaning heavily into the culture war` what?? can`t he have a say? do you want to silence dissenters? has he no right to voice his honest opinion? - you go down that slippery slope into fascism my friend at your own peril

 

[Amw79]

did i watch the video posted a few pages ago? no. i think the totalitarian left are degenerates too and the thin end of the political correctness wedge has been way surpassed which is the neo-Marxists MO. as for `a satanic impulse within` - i understand this as the inherent good/evil that runs through the heart of every man and you have the freedom to choose your own path. you say `leaning heavily into the culture war` what?? can`t he have a say? do you want to silence dissenters? has he no right to voice his honest opinion? - you go down that slippery slope into fascism my friend at your own peril

Ha ha ha. You’re mistaking me calling out his BS as me saying he can’t have a say. Of course he can have a say. He does. All the time.

I too, have a right to voice my honest opinion (don’t I, or is that fascism?), that in that full video, he’s stoking the fire of the culture war for his own ends.

 

[Oddball]

Ha ha ha. You’re mistaking me calling out his BS as me saying he can’t have a say. Of course he can have a say. He does. All the time.

I too, have a right to voice my honest opinion (don’t I, or is that fascism?), that in that full video, he’s stoking the fire of the culture war for his own ends.

you do. all the time.

 

[Amw79]

you do. all the time.

Yes. I agree. But you’ve just asked if I want to “silence dissenters” and told me that’s a slippery road to fascism.

So to recap the conversation.

I said in the video he’s stoking the culture war.

You disagreed, saying he was trying to put out that fire.

I gave an example from the video, which you haven’t watched, of him stoking the culture war fire.

You jump to defending his free speech and warning me of the road of fascism, which wasn’t in question.

I don’t think you’ve tracked this conversation very well, but we’ve reached the end point now, where we both agree that people have free speech.

 

[Prevenger17]

Ha ha ha. You’re mistaking me calling out his BS as me saying he can’t have a say. Of course he can have a say. He does. All the time.

I too, have a right to voice my honest opinion (don’t I, or is that fascism?), that in that full video, he’s stoking the fire of the culture war for his own ends.

These culture war biffs have a weird duality when it comes to freedom of speech. All the weirdos they follow have multiple, enormous platforms to say whatever they want and be heard by millions and yet they are somehow victims of cancel culture. We call their opinions out for the drivel they are on a small football forum and we're fascists who want to silence dissenters. You couldn't make it up

 

[Oddball]

Yes. I agree. But you’ve just asked if I want to “silence dissenters” and told me that’s a slippery road to fascism.

So to recap the conversation.

I said in the video he’s stoking the culture war.

You disagreed, saying he was trying to put out that fire.

I gave an example from the video, which you haven’t watched, of him stoking the culture war fire.

You jump to defending his free speech and warning me of the road of fascism, which wasn’t in question.

I don’t think you’ve tracked this conversation very well, but we’ve reached the end point now, where we both agree that people have free speech.

i have to some extent omitted certain points for a later opportunity to elaborate. you obviously can`t see that J.P. isn`t stoking any culture war fire, he`s a professor who was confronted with Marxist dogma who happened to think it dangerous so he hit back. his agenda is helping people, thats his field

 

[Charro]

did i watch the video posted a few pages ago? no. i think the totalitarian left are degenerates too and the thin end of the political correctness wedge has been way surpassed which is the neo-Marxists MO. as for `a satanic impulse within` - i understand this as the inherent good/evil that runs through the heart of every man and you have the freedom to choose your own path. you say `leaning heavily into the culture war` what?? can`t he have a say? do you want to silence dissenters? has he no right to voice his honest opinion? - you go down that slippery slope into fascism my friend at your own peril

Could you explain what you mean by totalitarian left and neo-marxists?

 

[Amw79]

i have to some extent omitted certain points for a later opportunity to elaborate. you obviously can`t see that J.P. isn`t stoking any culture war fire, he`s a professor who was confronted with Marxist dogma who happened to think it dangerous so he hit back. his agenda is helping people, thats his field

This is the crux of our disagreement. Not phony free speech cop outs.

If Peterson helps you, that’s great. I find him slippery, disingenuous, vague to the point of triviality, and totally obsessed with a culture war that I don’t give 2 Fs about.

 

[Oddball]

These culture war biffs have a weird duality when it comes to freedom of speech. All the weirdos they follow have multiple, enormous platforms to say whatever they want and be heard by millions and yet they are somehow victims of cancel culture. We call their opinions out for the drivel they are on a small football forum and we're fascists who want to silence dissenters. You couldn't make it up

just taking it to the logical conclusion John, which is fascism, which is what us `biffs` are against but you obviously don`t understand its true meaning. also- i don`t follow J.P. or anyone, i just think he happens to talk sense. i doubt you would watch any footage of his `enormous platforms` were interviewers have tried to take him down and come out with any awareness of what you`ve just witnessed. you seem to have the mindset so typical of your cult which is to blame others for what you yourself are guilty of

 

[Oddball]

Could you explain what you mean by totalitarian left and neo-marxists?

neo-Marxists = the working class let them down by not buying into their schtick in the 1930s regarding their economic/capitalist revolution. they came up with cultural-marxism, group identity etc. Totalitarian left is just run of the mill extremism in which you go so far left you become a fascist

 

[Oddball]

This is the crux of our disagreement. Not phony free speech cop outs.

If Peterson helps you, that’s great. I find him slippery, disingenuous, vague to the point of triviality, and totally obsessed with a culture war that I don’t give 2 Fs about.

i understood the sub-text of your post to be that J.P. shouldn`t be speaking out against neo-Marxist ideas.

 

[Amw79]

i understood the sub-text of your post to be that J.P. shouldn`t be speaking out against neo-Marxist ideas.

Nope, it was descriptive, not prescriptive. The guy can spout whatever tripe he likes, and I’ll call it tripe when he does.

 

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[Lobster Johnson]

just taking it to the logical conclusion John, which is fascism, which is what us `biffs` are against but you obviously don`t understand its true meaning. also- i don`t follow J.P. or anyone, i just think he happens to talk sense. i doubt you would watch any footage of his `enormous platforms` were interviewers have tried to take him down and come out with any awareness of what you`ve just witnessed. you seem to have the mindset so typical of your cult which is to blame others for what you yourself are guilty of

Give these a listen.

 

[Prevenger17]

just taking it to the logical conclusion John, which is fascism, which is what us `biffs` are against but you obviously don`t understand its true meaning. also- i don`t follow J.P. or anyone, i just think he happens to talk sense. i doubt you would watch any footage of his `enormous platforms` were interviewers have tried to take him down and come out with any awareness of what you`ve just witnessed. you seem to have the mindset so typical of your cult which is to blame others for what you yourself are guilty of