Current Affairs Culture wars & The rise of grifting

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JimmyJeffers said:
Runs the risk of not getting in heaven now
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Heaven sounds a bit too woke for this lot anyway, if God is 'all-loving' then that surely covers a bit of the LGBTQ stuff too. And what symbol did He send after the Flood? A bloody Rainbow, that's what. God is all in on the woke agenda, they'll need a new deity who doesn't go in for any of that stuff.
 
Moomin said:
Church is bloody woke now.
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More on this - dunno if these other chancers are just taking their cues from Farage or if there's some wider attack on the CofE going on at the moment with Easter upon us but I heard some radio berk yesterday asking the question "Is the Church focusing too much on so-called good causes and not enough on what their congregation wants?"

Begs the obvious question!

And also these, excepts from two new articles popping up on ConsHome. Two different authors, but basically the same story - they went to a specific church, it was good, they love a bit of the old Faith - but they aren't happy with the institution as a whole.

Few Church of England churches are as blessed as this one: three services on Sunday, a Director of Music who commands a superb choir, and the active support of parishioners. This particular church, however, is hardly typical of the Church of England, once perceived as the Conservative Party at prayer. But, like too many in the Conservative officer class, their Church equivalents now appear to be lacking confidence in their institution’s core values and mission.
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The Church often appears to be just another bureaucracy, existing primarily to serve itself, with layers of self-interested administrators getting in the way of its core purpose (think the NHS). As in every bureaucracy, there is empire-building and mission creep, i.e. time-wasting diversification and gasping to catch up with transitory trends, which can be usefully summed up as wokery.
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(St Barts) has shown me how wonderful churchgoing can be. Firmly Anglo-Catholic, I find the combination of incense, choral music, sixteenth-century prose, and intelligent sermonising in 900-year-old surroundings intoxicating ... I would suggest it acts on a fundamentally Tory level. One can’t be sure where one’s politics ultimately come from. But it speaks to my instinctive nexus of traditionalism, esotericism, and patriotism: a love of beauty, loyalty to tradition, and a sense of God as an Englishman. Attending a service, I instinctively know this is what I believe, and yearn to defend.
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A Church of England that some worry would rather spend £1 billion to “address past wrongs of slavery” than helping struggling parishes strikes me as one with its priorities skewed by the banalities of contemporary progressivism. Once the Tory Party at prayer, it now provides Britain with the world’s first left-wing theocracy. Anglicans voted strongly for Brexit and the Conservatives. Yet only one bishop, out of 113, voted to Leave. The Bishops seem to take every opportunity available to complain about Rwanda or take a knee before the Lionesses rather than supporting Sunday services.
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Do the Right want to break with Canterbury and return to Rome's bosom? What happens when the Pope is too Woke, are they going to want a reunion with Eastern Orthodoxy & take their sermons from Putin's Patriarch?
 
Xizor said:
More on this - dunno if these other chancers are just taking their cues from Farage or if there's some wider attack on the CofE going on at the moment with Easter upon us but I heard some radio berk yesterday asking the question "Is the Church focusing too much on so-called good causes and not enough on what their congregation wants?"

Begs the obvious question!

And also these, excepts from two new articles popping up on ConsHome. Two different authors, but basically the same story - they went to a specific church, it was good, they love a bit of the old Faith - but they aren't happy with the institution as a whole.





Do the Right want to break with Canterbury and return to Rome's bosom? What happens when the Pope is too Woke, are they going to want a reunion with Eastern Orthodoxy & take their sermons from Putin's Patriarch?
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It appears that the vast majority of people are nea.

Average weekly attendance for the Church of England 2009-2022​

Published by D. Clark, Dec 4, 2023
In 2022, the average weekly church attendance at Church of England services was 654,000. Between 2009 and 2019 the average weekly church attendance for the Church of England fell by approximately 228,000, in the same year, just over a third of people in the United Kingdom identified as being Christian compared with two-thirds in 1983. Church attendance figures fell even more during 2020 and 2021, although this was due to the COVID-19 pandemic
 
Xizor said:
More on this - dunno if these other chancers are just taking their cues from Farage or if there's some wider attack on the CofE going on at the moment with Easter upon us but I heard some radio berk yesterday asking the question "Is the Church focusing too much on so-called good causes and not enough on what their congregation wants?"

Begs the obvious question!

And also these, excepts from two new articles popping up on ConsHome. Two different authors, but basically the same story - they went to a specific church, it was good, they love a bit of the old Faith - but they aren't happy with the institution as a whole.

Do the Right want to break with Canterbury and return to Rome's bosom? What happens when the Pope is too Woke, are they going to want a reunion with Eastern Orthodoxy & take their sermons from Putin's Patriarch?
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"But it speaks to my instinctive nexus of traditionalism, esotericism, and patriotism: a love of beauty, loyalty to tradition, and a sense of God as an Englishman."
"I find the combination of incense, choral music, sixteenth-century prose, and intelligent sermonising in 900-year-old surroundings intoxicating ..."

I'll say!
 
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