Culture changes.

[Bipolarbear]

That's the one TC66!

 

[windymiller]

Mid table?

MID TABLE?!?!






*finds crucifix

We are mid table, we're not in the European qualifying spots and we weren't threatened with relegation. Mid table.

To answer the original question though, the only two ways out of this vicious circle is through massive, sustainable investment in the first team squad (a la Man City or Chelsea for which we would need a billionaire) or through big improvements in our infrastructure and revenue streams (like Arsenal but with our board that is not going to happen anytime soon and would require either a direct cash investment or a risky, and very large, new debt structure).

 

[Bipolarbear]

We are mid table, we're not in the European qualifying spots and we weren't threatened with relegation. Mid table.

To answer the original question though, the only two ways out of this vicious circle is through massive, sustainable investment in the first team squad (a la Man City or Chelsea for which we would need a billionaire) or through big improvements in our infrastructure and revenue streams (like Arsenal but with our board that is not going to happen anytime soon and would require either a direct cash investment or a risky, and very large, new debt structure).

Thank you, this is a brilliant explanation

So are people of the belief that our current bosspig (Kenwright) stops us from being a stronger club?

 

[Azzurri]

Ahhh I know what you mean, us. For some reason when I read it I thought it was something like 'who are the best players per $ they make'. Onya.

 

[MACCA75]

Er, what!?

Lescott has played probably 80% of the time he's been fit at City and Arteta has done very well at Arsenal, he's very important to them.

 

[njligernj]

I'm going to give this bisexual polar bear the benefit of the doubt. Welcome mate.

What does a club do to break this culture? Does it require a billionare funding your company? or do you just need to continuously find 21 year olds and play them into form, increasing your bank every time they get sold off?

As far as football goes (for teams with no money like ours) it's pretty much the meaning of life number 42 question. I personally think it's almost impossible to succeed by selling your best players -- you introduce risk into a situation in which there was none.

It's kind of like gambling ... 1% doesn't sound like much of an edge for the house but if you make enough bets they usually end up with all your money. The teams with money get to gamble a lot less -- they buy more "sure-things" (or at least as close as you can get) and can afford to take fliers on young players who may never pan out. When we gamble on a new singing it's way more important we get it right. So if you buy/sell enough times .... eventually you are going to Bily the whole thing up and set yourselves back a few years and have to start again.

In another thread a week or so ago we somewhat came to the conclusion that you need to get a young Ferguson/Mourinho type and hold onto him long enough that he can build a foundation for the future (before he inevitably gets stolen away by a money team). Think Swansea before RM only instead of lower league team to stable Prem club we're talking 6-8th PL team to CL team (you could argue the two spots in the table, going from 6th to 4th in the PL, is a harder "promotion" than going from lower leagues to the PL). Then you hope you can build from there. It's not great but it's probably more realistic than waiting on a billionaire (or waiting on the millionaires/billionaires we already have to actually give us some money).

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

Once Coleman develops into the best in the world by the end of next season and Real Madrid are offering 70m for his service, then we can finance our push into the champions league through his sale...
Until then its a simple case of holding on and trying to improve by increments...
Also, we're not midtable. The redshiite are midtable.

 

[Bipolarbear]

I'm going to give this bisexual polar bear the benefit of the doubt. Welcome mate.

Haha thanks mate, have heard that one a few times, still funny though

How have Swansea kept hold of Michu, after what was quite obviously a huge season last year? He's 27, in his prime and would add to almost any team in the league. I thought for sure he'd be gone.

For someone like me who is used to Australian Rules Football, pretty heart-breaking seeing players get traded as in Aussie Rules there's a salary cap, not that much more cash regardless of which club you go to, so naturally it's pretty common to see a player be a 1 or 2 club player throughout their career. Looking at someone like Yakubu, he's played for probably 8 clubs throughout his career, that's nuts!

I guess I just need to get over the fact that loyalty is a pretty rare commodity when you're having millions in cash thrown in your face.

 

[Bipolarbear]

Also, we're not midtable. The redshiite are midtable.

Haha, brilliant.
Hate these pricks so much.
I hope my first ever live EPL game at Goodison is us slaying them.

 

[allen]

Wow, 'mid-table' is an incendiary label.

But that's all it is, chaps. A label.

Frame it as you will. It's reasonable enough to call 1 - 5 the 'top', 15-20th the 'bottom' and the rest the 'middle.'

So go easy on our Tasmanian friend.

 

[Bipolarbear]

So go easy on our Tasmanian friend.

I hope you're talking about James Faulkner in this final Ashes test?

I'll select my words more carefully next time. I probably shouldn't have started a thread until I got more of a feel of the place.
It appears to me that the the top 6 teams and bottom 6 appear to be the only ones that aren't middle table in the EPL.

 

[allen]

I hope you're talking about James Faulkner in this final Ashes test?

That's too much to ask, I'm afraid.

 

[Moomin]

What we need to do to change the culture, is to stop serving lager and pies. Replace with a nice Rioja and some more sophisticated snacks like goat cheese tarts and smoked salmon.

Instead of playing the Saturdays and that ilk of music we play classical music and some inspirational poetry.

 

[Bipolarbear]

Replace with a nice Rioja and some more sophisticated snacks like goat cheese tarts and smoked salmon.

Mulled wine, serve pork belly, rocket and kale with everything.
All attendees must have windswept hair and wear thick framed glasses.

We've got this.

 

[bluemangroup]

What we need to do to change the culture, is to stop serving lager and pies. Replace with a nice Rioja and some more sophisticated snacks like goat cheese tarts and smoked salmon.

Instead of playing the Saturdays and that ilk of music we play classical music and some inspirational poetry.

Half time frittatas has a nice ring to it.