Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

[peteblue]

GRU arrives in Holland.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Looking forward to further strict financial sanctions against Russia. Oh hang on, game of tennis anyone .

 

[hullefc]

The government has now resurrected old news from April in an attempt to fool the gullible that 'GRU spies caught with diplomatic passports were spying in Holland. So they must have been the GRU that attempted to get rid of Sergie Skripal and his daughter/' anti Russian warmonger rhetoric.

Shock horror a country spies on people and organisations. Russia wont be the first to be 'caught' and they wont be the last if that is the case with this 'latest' exposure. Mind, I didn't know they could check diplomats baggage, laptops, search their cars and release the information. Bu you learn something every day.

BBC NEWS | UK | Politics | UK 'spied on UN's Kofi Annan'

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3488548.stm

NSA tapped German Chancellery for decades, WikiLeaks claims | US ...

https://www.theguardian.com/us.../nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-...

Undercover police had children with activists | UK news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jan/20/undercover-police-children-activists

The most worrying aspect of all this anti Russian warmongering is this.


Tribunal to consider whether MI5 covert agents can commit serious criminal offences

Agents for Britain’s Security Service are authorised to commit serious crimes, on British soil, without informing prosecutors, under a secretive MI5 policy, a court heard today.

Reprieve, Privacy International, the Pat Finucane Centre, the Committee on the Administration of Justice are challenging the legality of the scheme before the Investigatory Powers Tribunal in London.
The groups’ leading counsel, Ben Jaffey QC, said “It appears that the Security Service believes it could, if it thinks it would be in the public interest, authorise participation in murder, torture, sexual assault or other grave criminality in the UK.”
As the human rights groups are arguing, the policy has “no legal basis”, with no “meaningful limits” as to what serious crimes agents can and cannot commit.


Paul O’Connor, Director of the Pat Finucane Centre added:

“It can be no coincidence that Prime Minister David Cameron issued new guidelines, however flawed, on oversight of MI5 just two weeks before publication of the De Silva report into the murder of Pat Finucane.
The PM was clearly alive to the alarming evidence which was about to emerge of the involvement of the Security Service in the murder. To date no-one within a state agency has been held accountable. The latest revelations make the case for an independent inquiry all the more compelling.”​

Brian Gormally, Director of the Committee on the Administration of Justice said:

“MI5 has an estimated 500+ officers in Northern Ireland and runs agents here. If these state agents are ‘authorised’ to commit serious crimes that constitute human rights violations that would be unlawful and potentially involve collusion with illegal armed groups.
We have had enough of such behaviour by the secret state – the nature and extent of these authorisations should be made public.”​

The 'latest' the GRU are 'not very good revelation' can't hide how incompetent the Uk authorities have been in their attempt to 'blame' Putin for the Skripal incident.

The MET's photo cock up - getting the wrong time on one photo and the wrong street name on tw others, shows how bad they are at investigations. No wonder they've leased it out to a man from Leicester, Higgins. Who's s on the payroll of the Atlantic Council and is the 'go too man' for all things Russia/Putin are bad.

Just when all was going well with hiding 'what really happened in Salisbury' along comes mark Urban, ex military in the same regiment as the man who was Sergire Skripal's handler, to put his big foot in it.

He claims that Sergie had a 'team' around him. But it then poses a question 'how can he get 'poisioned' right under the noses of his team? How can Laurel and Hardy put the most deadliest thing known to humans on a door handle in broad daylight and not be seen? Keystone cops spring to mind.

Urban also claims that two CID officers, who were checking on 'illegal immigrants working in Salisbury town centre - I thought that was the job of 'Immigration Officers (IOs) [also referred to as Immigration Enforcement Officers] have a number of powers which allow them to carry out such enforcement work. Whilst on a visit, IOs will question encountered individuals about their immigration status and will arrest anyone found to be in breach of immigration law'. - were quickly on the scene and found Sergie's identification. Then a fit and healthy Bailey, who was supposed to be the first responder and then fell ill' went with his mate to the Skripal's house where 'he tried the front door with his gloved hand'. I wonder when this officer touched the 'novichok' military grand nerve agent and became ill? And why didn't the really first responders not get ill?

The UK government had a week to make its mind up about Skripal and decided to run with the 'Putin did it'. That was a godsend to those wanting to increase military spending, who will now get more money -£250 million for a brand new cyber force to wok alongside GCHQ and other cyber agencies.

This was a godsend to add 'Border Security' to the Counter Terrorism bill with 'national security' uppermost in the arguments. Which is nicely convenient to impose a border on the island of Ireland and allow a 'national security' exemption for WTO.

In fact this 'incident' has been mightily convenient for a number of reasons. And luck has played a part. The Telegraph had a long article about the 'incident' and claimed that the Skripal's were very lucky because on the day they were brought in 'two doctors had just been on a 'medical training course for 'novichok' at Porton Down'. Except it isn't Porton Down that does medical training but is done elsewhere - RAF Winterbourne Gunner in Wiltshire -The Centre's Joint CBRN Medical Faculty provides CBRN medical training to all Medical Officers in the UK Armed Services as well as specialist medical training to UK and NATO/allied nations'. Oops poor Telegraph investigation.

Like the rest of the 'investigation' it's been slip shoddy and now 'privatised to 'our man from Leicester'. But it wont stop the UK's anti Russian warmongering.

 

[hullefc]

EU fears its Brexit talks are being bugged by British secret agents ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics

Not only the Russians that bug people and organisations to find out information. But it shouldn't come as any surprise that Russian military are operating in this country as Hunt say, 'there's loads of Russian military we allow into the country'.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

EU fears its Brexit talks are being bugged by British secret agents ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics

Not only the Russians that bug people and organisations to find out information. But it shouldn't come as any surprise that Russian military are operating in this country as Hunt say, 'there's loads of Russian military we allow into the country'.

For someone who consistently slags off the British media for being reactionary, inconsistent, and short on truth, you appear to have no qualms about quoting them directly.

If I thought for one second that you actually believed the utter crap you have posted in this thread I would respond and debate the issues with you. However Isee that now as a forlorn hope.

 

[hullefc]

For someone who consistently slags off the British media for being reactionary, inconsistent, and short on truth, you appear to have no qualms about quoting them directly.

If I thought for one second that you actually believed the utter crap you have posted in this thread I would respond and debate the issues with you. However Isee that now as a forlorn hope.

Which is code for ..I'll accept the anti Russian warmongering bull. So you're denying that other states spy on people and organisations and do dirty deeds. Well, well I'm of the opinion that there is no hope for yout good self. The UK authorities are still all over the place trying to prove 'Putin did it" but they've definitely fooled you.

 

[Harryflashman]

Which is code for ..I'll accept the anti Russian warmongering bull. So you're denying that other states spy on people and organisations and do dirty deeds. Well, well I'm of the opinion that there is no hope for yout good self. The UK authorities are still all over the place trying to prove 'Putin did it" but they've definitely fooled you.

Im not having a go mate and I’ll certainly accept your assertion but isn’t your Main point in this thread that you don’t believe the Russians are spying on people or doing dirty deeds ?

I’ve said before there are questions that I think probably need asking in relation to what’s gone on but to completely exonerate the Russians of any wrongdoing seems a little bit unlikely to me.

Do you Genuinely think the whole thing is put together by May cooperating with the likes of mi5 and other foreign powers and even convincing Corbyn to say all the evidence points to the Russians whilst they caught a break having the two lads come on the tv and basically take the Mick. I’m honestly not criticising your point and I’m not attacking you , that just all doesn’t feel very likely to me . Like I say I think some things are puzzling but the significantly most likely scenario certainly seems to be Russian involvement rather than the grand conspiracy.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Which is code for ..I'll accept the anti Russian warmongering bull. So you're denying that other states spy on people and organisations and do dirty deeds. Well, well I'm of the opinion that there is no hope for yout good self. The UK authorities are still all over the place trying to prove 'Putin did it" but they've definitely fooled you.

Sorry, please show me where exactly I denied that other states spy on other nations?

FFS lad I used to do that for my day job!

Yes we and everyone else spy on everyone else...it’s the great game.
However most civilised nations don’t turn up on each other’s doorstep and smear nerve agents on peoples door handles or drop radioactive isotopes in peoples cups of tea.

No only Russia does this.

Well what you’re seeing now as in the Dutch incident and the recent Norwegian one is the world taking a stand against Russian interference in a sovereign nations affairs.

It truly is remarkable for nations to divulge publicly details of their own counter-intelligence ops. That tells me that the world has had enough of Russia and their shitthouse gangsta behaviour.

Expect a lot more fun to come as that captured laptop is well and truly Pandora’s box.

 

[hullefc]

Sorry, please show me where exactly I denied that other states spy on other nations?

FFS lad I used to do that for my day job!

Yes we and everyone else spy on everyone else...it’s the great game.
However most civilised nations don’t turn up on each other’s doorstep and smear nerve agents on peoples door handles or drop radioactive isotopes in peoples cups of tea.

No only Russia does this.

Well what you’re seeing now as in the Dutch incident and the recent Norwegian one is the world taking a stand against Russian interference in a sovereign nations affairs.

It truly is remarkable for nations to divulge publicly details of their own counter-intelligence ops. That tells me that the world has had enough of Russia and their shitthouse gangsta behaviour.

Expect a lot more fun to come as that captured laptop is well and truly Pandora’s box.

I'll be polite, but you talk through your backside and not very well at that. 'Nerve agent of door handle', really. And what exactly was your day job again?

 

[hullefc]

Im not having a go mate and I’ll certainly accept your assertion but isn’t your Main point in this thread that you don’t believe the Russians are spying on people or doing dirty deeds ?

I’ve said before there are questions that I think probably need asking in relation to what’s gone on but to completely exonerate the Russians of any wrongdoing seems a little bit unlikely to me.

Do you Genuinely think the whole thing is put together by May cooperating with the likes of mi5 and other foreign powers and even convincing Corbyn to say all the evidence points to the Russians whilst they caught a break having the two lads come on the tv and basically take the Mick. I’m honestly not criticising your point and I’m not attacking you , that just all doesn’t feel very likely to me . Like I say I think some things are puzzling but the significantly most likely scenario certainly seems to be Russian involvement rather than the grand conspiracy.

May said, "So Mr Speaker, there is no alternative conclusion other than that the Russian State was culpable for the attempted murder of Mr Skripal and his daughter – and for threatening the lives of other British citizens in Salisbury, including Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey.

This represents an unlawful use of force by the Russian State against the United Kingdom".

That is the narrative that the 'only plausible explanation' for Sergie Skripal, his daughter and the police officer becoming ill is that 'Putin/the Kremlin' did it. The 'evidence' presented just doesn't add up and doesn't point to 'the Russian state was culpable'.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Hahahahahahaha!

May said, "So Mr Speaker, there is no alternative conclusion other than that the Russian State was culpable for the attempted murder of Mr Skripal and his daughter – and for threatening the lives of other British citizens in Salisbury, including Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey.

This represents an unlawful use of force by the Russian State against the United Kingdom".

That is the narrative that the 'only plausible explanation' for Sergie Skripal, his daughter and the police officer becoming ill is that 'Putin/the Kremlin' did it. The 'evidence' presented just doesn't add up and doesn't point to 'the Russian state was culpable'.

Hahahahahahaha! The EViDENCE is held by the CPS. Who have issued an international arrest warrant. The EVIDENCE is not being made public as it is part of a criminal case.

Don’t believe everything you read in the press or plagiarise from Russian troll sites.

If your two Russian chumskis would only hand themselves over then the truth will finally be told in a court of law and a judge and jury can make a decision on their guilt, or innocence.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I'll be polite, but you talk through your backside and not very well at that. 'Nerve agent of door handle', really. And what exactly was your day job again?

I never mentioned WHAT my day job was. You’re obviously imagining things again.

 

[Number_25]

This is all a bit mental, isn't it?

As for where I stand, I'm somewhere between "the Russian state probably ordered these attacks" and "I wish we weren't so quick to point the finger at the start, prior to the results of an independent investigation".

 

[Number_25]

I guess that makes a western warcrimes apologist and a Russian stooge.

Great, that.

 

[hullefc]

Hahahahahahaha!



Hahahahahahaha! The EViDENCE is held by the CPS. Who have issued an international arrest warrant. The EVIDENCE is not being made public as it is part of a criminal case.

Don’t believe everything you read in the press or plagiarise from Russian troll sites.

If your two Russian chumskis would only hand themselves over then the truth will finally be told in a court of law and a judge and jury can make a decision on their guilt, or innocence.

Hahaha. CPS and EVIDENCE. Now that is funny.
Dozens of sexual offence cases dropped because vital evidence ...

https://www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › Home News


"Director of public prosecutions Alison Saunders said: “Getting disclosure right is a fundamental part of a fair criminal justice system. Our analysis shows that in the vast majority of cases we are doing that.

“But there are cases where we are falling short – and that is unacceptable. I recognise the huge impact on individuals involved, and deeply regret every case where mistakes have been made.

Surrey Police to review all rape cases after Oxford student cleared
“There is an unprecedented focus in finding solutions to these problems, which have dogged the criminal justice system for many years. There have been attempts to tackle it in the past, but improvements have not been lasting. We need to make it stick".

"Prosecutions chief Alison Saunders presided over an "institutionalised culture of failure to disclose evidence", a victim of the shambles has told Sky News". In other words make it up as they go along to gain a conviction. And who provides the CPS with the EVIDENCE? The people that put the wrong street name on a photograph twice and the wrong arrival time at Gatwick airport.

More on the CPS and EVIDENCE.

"Committee chairman, Conservative MP Bob Neill, said the police and CPS often see the disclosure of evidence as an "administrative headache" - a view which was "not acceptable".

Mr Neill, a former barrister, added: "Disclosure failings are extremely damaging for those concerned and can have a permanent life-long impact.

"These failings have caused miscarriages of justice and - as the director of public prosecutions even admitted to us - some people have gone to prison as a result."

The committee found failings in the "application of disclosure by police officers and prosecutors on the ground" and called for a culture change, so it was seen as a "core justice duty", rather than an "administrative add-on".

When it came to Ms Saunders, the committee said there was "insufficient focus and leadership" in dealing with the problem and that she "did not sufficiently recognise the extent and seriousness" of failures within the process".

"In January, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) ordered a review of more than 3,600 cases in England and Wales after four cases were thrown out of court due to a lack of disclosure".

Oh yeh the CPS have EVIDENCE. That's a definite clincher that 'Putin did it'.

I seem to remember that there was overwhelming EVIDENCE that Saddam Hussien had WMD that could be launched in 45 minutes at Britain. I forgot how that EVIDENCE went. Just remind me.