Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

[peteblue]

And the Russian trolls are hard at work defending Russia as always......

 

[hullefc]

The Met have never said the two 'suspects' were GRU agents - Mark Urban Politics Live. May is trying to 'sexy' up the evidence based on 'intelligence'. We've been here before.

Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink,wink it was Vlad 'who gave the orders'. May should stick to trying to dance rather than attempting gibberish.

 

[Number_25]

And the Russian trolls are hard at work defending Russia as always......

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[peteblue]

The Met have never said the two 'suspects' were GRU agents - Mark Urban Politics Live. May is trying to 'sexy' up the evidence based on 'intelligence'. We've been here before.

Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink,wink it was Vlad 'who gave the orders'. May should stick to trying to dance rather than attempting gibberish.

Throughout the whole of this thread you have done nothing but defend Russia while attempting to ridicule the British Government, I wonder why tovarich.......

 

[Number_25]

Throughout the whole of this thread you have done nothing but defend Russia while attempting to ridicule the British Government, I wonder why tovarich.......

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[hullefc]

Throughout the whole of this thread you have done nothing but defend Russia while attempting to ridicule the British Government, I wonder why tovarich.......

I don't have to 'ridicule the British Government' it does that itself. But it's not hard to ridicule this government though, is it. 'Defend Russia', what does that mean? and when did I 'defend Russia' and how have I done that?

Not believing the false flag 'Putin did it' is not 'defending Russia' it's pointing out how ridiculous May is, worse than her dad dancing, in attempting to whip up warmongering and save her political bacon. As well as using this false flag, whoever did it but it certainly wasn't under the' orders of Putin', to impose a hard border on the island of Ireland through the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill going through parliament. May is trying to play the 'we've been hard done by because of those horrible Russians' to the Americans and the Europeans, so as to try and get away with putting border checks which is against the Good Friday Agreement.

The 'you're defending Saddam Hussein' bull was also used against those that opposed the illegal war in Iraq. The 'Saddam Hussein has WMD' rubbish, sexed up by the 'launched in 45 minutes' , was used to 'justify' waging war in Iraq. This time it is the monster 'Putin' threatening the UK - WMD bull - sexed up with 'they're GRU agents' guff.

You couldn't make up such rubbish. But May has, and that rubbish has been pulled apart. Many times by not only those in the UK but in Europe and America.

 

[roydo]

I don't have to 'ridicule the British Government' it does that itself. But it's not hard to ridicule this government though, is it. 'Defend Russia', what does that mean? and when did I 'defend Russia' and how have I done that?

Not believing the false flag 'Putin did it' is not 'defending Russia' it's pointing out how ridiculous May is, worse than her dad dancing, in attempting to whip up warmongering and save her political bacon. As well as using this false flag, whoever did it but it certainly wasn't under the' orders of Putin', to impose a hard border on the island of Ireland through the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill going through parliament. May is trying to play the 'we've been hard done by because of those horrible Russians' to the Americans and the Europeans, so as to try and get away with putting border checks which is against the Good Friday Agreement.

The 'you're defending Saddam Hussein' bull was also used against those that opposed the illegal war in Iraq. The 'Saddam Hussein has WMD' rubbish, sexed up by the 'launched in 45 minutes' , was used to 'justify' waging war in Iraq. This time it is the monster 'Putin' threatening the UK - WMD bull - sexed up with 'they're GRU agents' guff.

You couldn't make up such rubbish. But May has, and that rubbish has been pulled apart. Many times by not only those in the UK but in Europe and America.

Who do you reckon did it then?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Who do you reckon did it then?

Most likely these Russian agents were secretly working for the EU as part of their plot to undermine Brexit.

 

[Tubey]

Haha hullefc gone off the deep end as he realises even his massive bias can't seriously help him now defend his Soviet comrades.

It was clearly Russia, it always was and now there's the evidence to pretty much definitively prove it.

Occams razor wins again.

 

[peteblue]

I don't have to 'ridicule the British Government' it does that itself. But it's not hard to ridicule this government though, is it. 'Defend Russia', what does that mean? and when did I 'defend Russia' and how have I done that?

Not believing the false flag 'Putin did it' is not 'defending Russia' it's pointing out how ridiculous May is, worse than her dad dancing, in attempting to whip up warmongering and save her political bacon. As well as using this false flag, whoever did it but it certainly wasn't under the' orders of Putin', to impose a hard border on the island of Ireland through the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill going through parliament. May is trying to play the 'we've been hard done by because of those horrible Russians' to the Americans and the Europeans, so as to try and get away with putting border checks which is against the Good Friday Agreement.

The 'you're defending Saddam Hussein' bull was also used against those that opposed the illegal war in Iraq. The 'Saddam Hussein has WMD' rubbish, sexed up by the 'launched in 45 minutes' , was used to 'justify' waging war in Iraq. This time it is the monster 'Putin' threatening the UK - WMD bull - sexed up with 'they're GRU agents' guff.

You couldn't make up such rubbish. But May has, and that rubbish has been pulled apart. Many times by not only those in the UK but in Europe and America.

BBC.....

‘Scotland Yard and the CPS say there is enough evidence to charge the men.’......

 

[hullefc]

Who do you reckon did it then?

It wasn't Putin that's for sure.

Maybe it wasn't novichok as the doctor said a week after the event. Could be drugs like Fentanyl used a lot in the area and that is why he was initially treated for its use.

Maybe it was someone from a country/secret service of that country who wanted to discredit Russia. Why? Maybe to up the ante to blame them for the chemical attack in Syria so the warmongers can bomb Assad and the Syrian people.

Maybe it was to do with various Russian dossiers or Russian criminals Skripal was involved with or providing information to or against.

Maybe it was Yulia Skripal's boyfriends family.

Maybe Sergei Skripal was a go between between some dodgy people and it went wrong.

There are multiple possibilities, but what is certain is there is more holes in the government's official version than Swiss cheese. The official account by the government doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Just as Blair's WMD didn't add up.

 

[hullefc]

BBC.....

‘Scotland Yard and the CPS say there is enough evidence to charge the men.’......

And? There was enough 'evidence' that Saddam Hussein had WMD. There are many many people charged and convicted wrongly on dodgy evidence. Birmingham 6 and Guildfor 4 spring to mind.

 

[peteblue]

Haha hullefc gone off the deep end as he realises even his massive bias can't seriously help him now defend his Soviet comrades.

It was clearly Russia, it always was and now there's the evidence to pretty much definitively prove it.

Occams razor wins again.

It’s been incredible how he tried to defend Russia and blame the U.K.. I honestly thought he was one of these Russian trolls, and indeed he may well be.....

If the town was poisoned why wasn't it evacuated?

And for eating some dodgy borsch May is expelling 23 Russians.

If the detective sergeant caught ill whilst searching the house, why wasn't the house quarantined with people in those chemical resistant suits? Why wasn't the street evacuated? Why weren't the residents all sent to hospital for check ups?

As far as his daughter arriving from Moscow why did they take ill together and at the same time? Similarly with the detective sergeant. Did she have the 'nerve agent' in her suitcase or in other bags? If they fell ill together then they must have taken it at the same time? Similarly with the detective sergeant.

When there is a murder the police release what they want the public to know. But this isn't murder. When there is an incident they release information and ask the public to try and help them solve the incident. They release CCTV footage and the likes. As they did with Parson's Green. But the only CCTV footage is the two Russians walking through an underpass at seeming perfectly happy and healthy, only to be slumped on a bench about an hour later. They had a drink in the restaurant and had their photo taken again happy and healthy. So it is between the restaurant and when they were spotted slumped on a bench that it was administered. Or they and the detective sergeant were contaminated at the same time and same place some time earlier.

What we are being fed is as flimsy as the weapons of mass destruction bull. Why this is the case is another matter.

'They have a strong idea who it is? Have they? They have a strong idea how it was done and why? Have they? According to your good self they have. You are using assumptions unless you are privy to information that is not in the public domain, that is.

I'l repeat, there is no credible evidence that has been presented to indicate that Putin gave the orders for this incident. It is all conjecture and assumptions.

To quote your good self,

"I feel that a wave of support for these false-flag, anti-government mentalities has a huge part to play in while people are doubting the validity.

In no way am I saying the government is perfect and I do appreciate that their view of the truth is often somewhat jaded, but it's become absurd.

If growing swathes of the populous think the world is bloody flat, then believing that this is some form of Brexit conspiracy is for them small-fries.

Only last week, I had someone claiming that the BBC was untrustworthy because it was manipulated by the government, so they used RT instead.

The irony of it all simply went over his head! Often, the simplest and most logical argument is the correct one - it's not all bloody perverse".

Dismissing 'false flag' that leads to 'doubting the validity' was the exact same bull put around about weapons of mass destruction. Anyone, including Corbyn, that didn't say, 'Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and they will come and wipe out the UK in 45 minutes' were deemed to be using a 'false flag to question the validity'. Unfortunately for millions of Iriaqi's the validity was all to real.

The government's (their) 'view of the truth is somewhat jaded' is an understatement in the extreme. It is hardly absurd to question the government and what it is saying as it was with WMD. It is absurd not to question what the government are saying. As it is absurd not to question the government about their handouts from Russian oligarchs. But the likes of Johnson want to close that issue down because it is uncomfortable for them.

'Often the simplest and most logical argument is the correct one'. Yes it is. There is no evidence Putin is guilty and anyone who says otherwise is 'bloody perverse'.

The OPCW need to be on their way to a number of places including Porton Down and to the US and Israel and all those that have not sign the chemical treaty. The OPCW need to question the Russian scientist who wrote a book about making it to find out if he has been active again. But that would be absurd to mention that. Because? It was Putin and everyone and their dog knows it.

How do you know it was this 'nivochok'? You are making an assumption based on the evidence presented by the government. All and sundry, apart from the likes of Corbyn said, 'of course Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction the government that could be released in 45 minute, because the government told us', to think otherwise is absurd.

If the areas were so contaminated that it required space suits, why wasn't the public evacuated and a the areas properly sealed? And why were fireman allowed to go anywhere near the areas without proper protective equipment?

As far as 'sloppily' goes. We are spun the line that it is the deadliest product known to man, and something like the size of a 'ball point pen tip' can kill someone. But three people have survived this 'military/weapons grade nerve agent' the 'nivochok'.

The tale now is that 'they were poisoned at the front door'. Postman Pat better get in sharpish for tests as they never sealed the house until a few days latter. It became clear that the detective sergeant wasn't taken ill by a deadly 'nerve agent'. I wonder what made him ill and why didn't May visit him in hospital?

Johnson's 'global revulsion' isn't quite that. Africa, South America, Central America, the Far East, Asia are all absent from the role call of those that have 'sent Russians home'. Those that have 'sent Russians home' reads like a who's who of the gang that believed the weapons of mass destruction bull, 'the likely probability' - diplomatic code for 'we don't want to say in public the UK are lying'.

It is extremely strange that the UK will not allow the Russians access to a Russian national, and invite them to help with the investigation. If this happened in Russia to a British national, the UK government would be demanding a UN resolution to allow them access to all the evidence. The 'evidence' pointing to Putin/the Kremlin is crumbling daily, the more so the more Johnson opens his mouth, and that is why 90% of the world take the UK governmenst spin with a pinch of salt.

Surprise, surprise it wasn't Putin/the Kremlin that 'did it'. Big Goebbels lies have eminated for weeks from May, Johnson, parliament, state controlled BBC and the rest of the supine media. You just couldn't make up such 'weapons of mass destruction' lying, loyally lapped up by those that said they 'would never fall for such deception again' and 'would scrutinise the evidence vigorously'. The warmongers have no scruples and will do the same again, against people and countries that don't allow the US, and it's poodle the UK, to do what it wants and wage war. May should resign.

Time is running out to take the world cup off Russia.

Obviously, there is still no evidence it was Putin/the Kremlin. 'Easy way out' is that there is no evidence for May's and Johnson's claim it was Putin/the Kremlin. May should resign forthwith as her big Goebbels lies have trampled all over her credibility and that of her government.

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[peteblue]

And? There was enough 'evidence' that Saddam Hussein had WMD. There are many many people charged and convicted wrongly on dodgy evidence. Birmingham 6 and Guildfor 4 spring to mind.

I wondered when your Irish Republican bias would show itself again.......

 

[hullefc]

Haha hullefc gone off the deep end as he realises even his massive bias can't seriously help him now defend his Soviet comrades.

It was clearly Russia, it always was and now there's the evidence to pretty much definitively prove it.

Occams razor wins again.

Haha hullefc gone off the deep end as he realises even his massive bias can't seriously help him now defend his Soviet comrades.

It was clearly Russia, it always was and now there's the evidence to pretty much definitively prove it.

Occams razor wins again.

'Clearly Russia' - what the whole country?- with this latest 'evidence'. Really. Yes they definitely had 'we're going to get Sergei Skripal and his daughter' visibly tattooed on their forehead, jackets and bags. I wonder how and why these 'GRU agents' - even the MET wont go that far at the moment, don't want to get laughed out of court - were able to get a visa for their various visits to the UK? Don't the UK intelligence keep tabs on 'GRU agents'? Very poor form in keeping us safe.

All this latest 'evidence' shows is two guys that traveled into the UK on the Friday and left on the Sunday. Leaving 'residue of 'novichok' in a hotel and no one was affected by this deadliest chemical agent known to man, after they left. But is found in September some 7 months after the 'event'. That's a long time for a room to be left vacant. I wonder why they never showed any people in space suits going into the hotel and why hasn't it been cordoned off.

Yes 'clearly Russia'.