Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

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You’re wasting your time really, the left wingers just won’t understand what you are saying, and those that do just won’t accept it. For them it has nothing to do with actual events and all to do with the party in power.....ergo, [Poor language removed] off the Tories and discredit anything they say..........

Pete the Tory Party actually have taken nearly a million pounds off the family of a former Putin minister. They actually did close RAF Kinloss and did order the smashing up the new Nimrods that were our only maritime surveillance aircraft, requiring us to get the French to look for Russian subs around our coast. Theresa May actually did try to block the Litvinenko inquest. The British courts are actually being used by Russian oligarchs and their Government to fight out legal battles that enforce decisions taken in their legal system. London is actually awash with the proceeds of money laundering, including from Russian sources. There actually have been nearly a dozen suspicious deaths of Russian exiles with very little done about it.

These aren't single sourced bits of info that someone starts a thread on GOT over, they happened on their watch. It is entirely reasonable to remind people of what they have done, especially when they have responded to the attempted murder of two people with very little actual action.
 
No 'evidence in the public realm - yet'. I've heard that one before many many a time. Only for it to be bull. Weapons of mass destruction springs to mind, 'we can't tell you everything but believe us'. Or evidence that was so 'cast iron' it showed their guilt, only to be overturned due to miscarriage of justice. Not all 'in the public realm- yet' but some selectively put in the public domain to give the impression of guilt.

Criminal trials are brought with much more 'evidence in the public realm' being released than you seem to be implying with this case. There have been many criminal trials that have taken place with 'leaked' evidence by this or that person to show the person or persons is/are 'guilty'. The media have been allowed on many many occasion to release information that shows the guilt of someone. That evidence, along with other evidence, is then presented in court and people found guilty only to be released due to a miscarriage of justice. As you well know.

In this case a trial wont be stopped no matter how much 'evidence' is released because all and sundry knows 'Putin gave the orders and it was carried out by one of his mates'. A Russian is guilty even before a trial has begun. All the state will do is find a connection between Putin and said person or persons. Maybe riding bare-chested on a horse. It will be that smug and sarcastic.

Evidence is selectively and deliberately released to point the finger of guilt. As has happened on far too many occasions. Selective evidence is released to attempt to lay the blame of guilt on someone. In this case to ratchet up the war, war against a person who has fallen out of favour with the west, because he wont allow the US to do what it wants, in particular in Syria, and is now deemed an enemy. The parallels with Saddam Hussein are all to evident.

'Released for your pleasure', really. Weapons of mass destruction and the 45 minute launch was used to justify invading Iraq and the death of hundreds of thousands, if not over a million, and a country destroyed. Egged on by the house of commons, with the exception of a handful of people, including Corbyn. Isn't it a pity that we all weren't privy to the information Blair received so that we could make up our mind and put pressure on the warmongers? Very much like now. The government want to ratchet up the war,war against Russia and they want us to blindly follow and shout 'go gett'em Boris'.

No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia. For a start, it takes away time when we could be questioning what the Government has been and is doing about what they claim.

At the end of the day all we know is that this bloke and his daughter have been reported to have been poisoned; the Putin regime does have a history of going after people like that and it isn't wildly implausible to suggest that they might have gone after this bloke as well.
 
No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia. For a start, it takes away time when we could be questioning what the Government has been and is doing about what they claim.

At the end of the day all we know is that this bloke and his daughter have been reported to have been poisoned; the Putin regime does have a history of going after people like that and it isn't wildly implausible to suggest that they might have gone after this bloke as well.

'The Putin regime does have a history' so it is always going to be guilty no matter how flimsy the evidence is. Something along the lines of 'their response has been smug and sarcastic which shows how guilty Putin is' springs to mind. I have no doubt that the UK has reneged on many things in the past, in particular to do with Ireland, but it does not mean it is going to renege on all things all the time e.g the Good Friday Agreement.

'It isn't wildly implausible to suggest that they might have gone after this bloke'. It isn't wildly implausible but where is the evidence? The answer seems to be 'the Putin regime does have a history of going after people like that'. A person like that is an ex spy. I may be wrong but there seems to be an agreed protocol that ex spies that are exchanged are left alone. Like I say, I may be wrong due to a lack of evidence.

Similarly, 'a history so isn't wildly implausible'. The UK have been involved in many many false flags, throughout history, so on that reckoning the finger could be pointed in that direction. The UVF claimed that MI5 wanted them to assassinate Haughey the Irish prime minister. May be true or may not.

"Charles Haughey was told by loyalist paramilitaries 30 years ago that MI5 had ordered his assassination, declassified state papers show.

Records from his office while he was taoiseach in 1987 reveal that the UVF wrote to him to tell him that British intelligence also launched a smear campaign against him.

The loyalists claimed their organisation was used by MI5 and MI6, backed up by British army special forces, from 1972 to 1978 and again in 1985". Irish Times Fri, Dec 29, 2017, 00:01.

This may be true or it may not.

Peter Wright's Spycatcher revelations.

"Spycatcher was by no means the first by a former intelligence officer, it was well written and filled with unprecedented detail about British intelligence's activities: how MI5 "bugged and burgled" its way across London and the world". Unleashed and uncontrolled, Wright's suspicions broadened. He became convinced that Soviet penetration extended to Labour politicians, especially Harold Wilson, the new prime minister. Again, there was no real evidence, merely conjecture. Wilson had bartered secret Rolls-Royce jet engines to the Soviets in 1949 and, after many ministerial visits to Moscow, traded with the Russians on losing office in 1951. After investigating Wilson's business associates, Wright found many to have "KGB connections".

So began the "Wilson Plot": break-ins, leaks, dirty tricks and false stories planted in newspapers to discredit the Labour government and prove that the Prime Minister was a Soviet agent. The most alarming was the account that the KGB had poisoned Hugh Gaitskell to allow Wilson's succession".

"No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia".

'Unleashed and uncontrolled'. This may or may not be fact.

By the way 'a history so is guilty' was used by Blair in his weapons of mass destruction dossier/pronouncements, to point the finger of guilt at Hussein to stoke up a war atmosphere so as to justify invading Iraq.

"No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia".

Ever since Putin refused to allow the US carte blanche to get rid of Assad, 'war tensions' against Russia have been continually stoked up to fever pitch. There are those in parliament who ever since Putin backed Assad have made no secret that they wanted the world cup taken off Russia. There is growing hostility towards RT and many want it banned. So much for press freedom.

The war,war rhetoric by those in parliament against Russia, is similar to the war,war against Saddam Hussein's backed by the weapons of mass destruction dodgy dossier. Boris Johnson is absolutely certain that the smug and sarcastic Putin is responsible. That would be as certain as the £350 million per week for the NHS certainty.
 
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I'd say it's deffo not a false-flag by May, as she wouldn't have passed on the opportunity to look competent when dealing with it, and the Ruskie perp would have accidentally left their passport on the park bench.

'The Putin regime does have a history' so it is always going to be guilty no matter how flimsy the evidence is. Something along the lines of 'their response has been smug and sarcastic which shows how guilty Putin is' springs to mind. I have no doubt that the UK has reneged on many things in the past, in particular to do with Ireland, but it does not mean it is going to renege on all things all the time e.g the Good Friday Agreement.

'It isn't wildly implausible to suggest that they might have gone after this bloke'. It isn't wildly implausible but where is the evidence? The answer seems to be 'the Putin regime does have a history of going after people like that'. A person like that is an ex spy. I may be wrong but there seems to be an agreed protocol that ex spies that are exchanged are left alone. Like I say, I may be wrong due to a lack of evidence.

Similarly, 'a history so isn't wildly implausible'. The UK have been involved in many many false flags, throughout history, so on that reckoning the finger could be pointed in that direction. The UVF claimed that MI5 wanted them to assassinate Haughey the Irish prime minister. May be true or may not.

"Charles Haughey was told by loyalist paramilitaries 30 years ago that MI5 had ordered his assassination, declassified state papers show.

Records from his office while he was taoiseach in 1987 reveal that the UVF wrote to him to tell him that British intelligence also launched a smear campaign against him.

The loyalists claimed their organisation was used by MI5 and MI6, backed up by British army special forces, from 1972 to 1978 and again in 1985". Irish Times Fri, Dec 29, 2017, 00:01.

This may be true or it may not.

Peter Wright's Spycatcher revelations.

"Spycatcher was by no means the first by a former intelligence officer, it was well written and filled with unprecedented detail about British intelligence's activities: how MI5 "bugged and burgled" its way across London and the world". Unleashed and uncontrolled, Wright's suspicions broadened. He became convinced that Soviet penetration extended to Labour politicians, especially Harold Wilson, the new prime minister. Again, there was no real evidence, merely conjecture. Wilson had bartered secret Rolls-Royce jet engines to the Soviets in 1949 and, after many ministerial visits to Moscow, traded with the Russians on losing office in 1951. After investigating Wilson's business associates, Wright found many to have "KGB connections".

So began the "Wilson Plot": break-ins, leaks, dirty tricks and false stories planted in newspapers to discredit the Labour government and prove that the Prime Minister was a Soviet agent. The most alarming was the account that the KGB had poisoned Hugh Gaitskell to allow Wilson's succession".

"No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia".

'Unleashed and uncontrolled'. This may or may not be fact.

By the way 'a history so is guilty' was used by Blair in his weapons of mass destruction dossier/pronouncements, to point the finger of guilt at Hussein to stoke up a war atmosphere so as to justify invading Iraq.

"No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia".

Ever since Putin refused to allow the US carte blanche to get rid of Assad, 'war tensions' against Russia have been continually stoked up to fever pitch. There are those in parliament who ever since Putin backed Assad have made no secret that they wanted the world cup taken off Russia. There is growing hostility towards RT and many want it banned. So much for press freedom.

The war,war rhetoric by those in parliament against Russia, is similar to the war,war against Saddam Hussein's backed by the weapons of mass destruction dodgy dossier. Boris Johnson is absolutely certain that the smug and sarcastic Putin is responsible. That would be as certain as the £350 million per week for the NHS certainty.
 
'The Putin regime does have a history' so it is always going to be guilty no matter how flimsy the evidence is. Something along the lines of 'their response has been smug and sarcastic which shows how guilty Putin is' springs to mind. I have no doubt that the UK has reneged on many things in the past, in particular to do with Ireland, but it does not mean it is going to renege on all things all the time e.g the Good Friday Agreement.

'It isn't wildly implausible to suggest that they might have gone after this bloke'. It isn't wildly implausible but where is the evidence? The answer seems to be 'the Putin regime does have a history of going after people like that'. A person like that is an ex spy. I may be wrong but there seems to be an agreed protocol that ex spies that are exchanged are left alone. Like I say, I may be wrong due to a lack of evidence.

Similarly, 'a history so isn't wildly implausible'. The UK have been involved in many many false flags, throughout history, so on that reckoning the finger could be pointed in that direction. The UVF claimed that MI5 wanted them to assassinate Haughey the Irish prime minister. May be true or may not.

"Charles Haughey was told by loyalist paramilitaries 30 years ago that MI5 had ordered his assassination, declassified state papers show.

Records from his office while he was taoiseach in 1987 reveal that the UVF wrote to him to tell him that British intelligence also launched a smear campaign against him.

The loyalists claimed their organisation was used by MI5 and MI6, backed up by British army special forces, from 1972 to 1978 and again in 1985". Irish Times Fri, Dec 29, 2017, 00:01.

This may be true or it may not.

Peter Wright's Spycatcher revelations.

"Spycatcher was by no means the first by a former intelligence officer, it was well written and filled with unprecedented detail about British intelligence's activities: how MI5 "bugged and burgled" its way across London and the world". Unleashed and uncontrolled, Wright's suspicions broadened. He became convinced that Soviet penetration extended to Labour politicians, especially Harold Wilson, the new prime minister. Again, there was no real evidence, merely conjecture. Wilson had bartered secret Rolls-Royce jet engines to the Soviets in 1949 and, after many ministerial visits to Moscow, traded with the Russians on losing office in 1951. After investigating Wilson's business associates, Wright found many to have "KGB connections".

So began the "Wilson Plot": break-ins, leaks, dirty tricks and false stories planted in newspapers to discredit the Labour government and prove that the Prime Minister was a Soviet agent. The most alarming was the account that the KGB had poisoned Hugh Gaitskell to allow Wilson's succession".

"No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia".

'Unleashed and uncontrolled'. This may or may not be fact.

By the way 'a history so is guilty' was used by Blair in his weapons of mass destruction dossier/pronouncements, to point the finger of guilt at Hussein to stoke up a war atmosphere so as to justify invading Iraq.

"No-one should automatically believe the blandishments of the Government, but equally we shouldn't come out with theories that don't hold that much water like the idea this is some kind of false flag attempt to stoke war tensions with Russia".

Ever since Putin refused to allow the US carte blanche to get rid of Assad, 'war tensions' against Russia have been continually stoked up to fever pitch. There are those in parliament who ever since Putin backed Assad have made no secret that they wanted the world cup taken off Russia. There is growing hostility towards RT and many want it banned. So much for press freedom.

The war,war rhetoric by those in parliament against Russia, is similar to the war,war against Saddam Hussein's backed by the weapons of mass destruction dodgy dossier. Boris Johnson is absolutely certain that the smug and sarcastic Putin is responsible. That would be as certain as the £350 million per week for the NHS certainty.

Have you ever said anything complimentary about the U.K., ever.........
 
I'd say it's deffo not a false-flag by May, as she wouldn't have passed on the opportunity to look competent when dealing with it, and the Ruskie perp would have accidentally left their passport on the park bench.

May wouldn't be competent to organise tea for two people never mind this. Strange that she never took the opportunity to have her photo taken with the detective sergeant in Salisbury hospital. Hope that Russian passport hasn't landed in the wrong hands. My mates Russian friends will be pleased that the next time that are taken ill, they will have the 'Novichok' examination and get the results ultra quick.
 
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