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[Tubey]

That poll was with the over 55s in the 18 to 35 year olds Corbyn was at 51% not that it matters anyway as its a nonsense poll

Amazing that three people have liked this, because you are incorrect. Those stats are the overall numbers.

Anything to grasp at straws on Corbyn, regardless of facts or logic it seems.

 

[Tubey]

Thats being generous.

I think it counts for a lot more than you think. Outside the student demographic, Corbyn as a danger to our national interests is a big vote puller. This adds fuel to that argument.

And, let's face it, he is.

 

[magicjuan]

Wow. Purge folk in your party who dont agree with you? Life is a minestrone mate. And coming from one who, correctly, railed against GOT ever becoming an echo chamber, I find that a strange sea change.

That's a bit disingenuous. The purge would like a reversal of the new labour purge of 'militant' and the core values of the labour party, those who do not follow the clear wishes and intents of the majority of labour members, and to a great extent voters, who they are supposed to represent.

 

[magicjuan]

I think it counts for a lot more than you think. Outside the student demographic, Corbyn as a danger to our national interests is a big vote puller. This adds fuel to that argument.

And, let's face it, he is.

He is what? A threat to our national interests? Bigger threat than warmongering? Than attacking disabled, poor and children? Just what exactly are you using as a comparison?

 

[roydo]

That's a bit disingenuous. The purge would like a reversal of the new labour purge of 'militant' and the core values of the labour party, those who do not follow the clear wishes and intents of the majority of labour members, and to a great extent voters, who they are supposed to represent.

Not really. Its the exact same thing. Kinnock/Prescott/Blair purged Militant. Now Militant, or whatever Corbyn followers gather under, (Progress?), want to do the same. I find it an unattractive characteristic.

 

[Kurt.]

He is what? A threat to our national interests? Bigger threat than warmongering? Than attacking disabled, poor and children? Just what exactly are you using as a comparison?

Don't listen to Tubey. ... he has a warped logic

Corbyn - massive threat

Lukaku - no threat

 

[magicjuan]

Not really. Its the exact same thing. Kinnock/Prescott/Blair purged Militant. Now Militant, or whatever Corbyn followers gather under, (Progress?), want to do the same. I find it an unattractive characteristic.

Reclaiming their own party? If you put forward policies and the majority of members agree and approve isn't that democratic?

Why wouldn't the right of the party go all SDP, is it because they would be out of a job?

Politics has polarised, the left concept of socialism, though still to the right of its historical beliefs at the moment, is a reaction to what is tantamount to a class war, the right move to the right even more as a reaction to that. One of the main reasons the lib dems are a spent political force.

 

[mezzrow]

That's a bit disingenuous. The purge would like a reversal of the new labour purge of 'militant' and the core values of the labour party, those who do not follow the clear wishes and intents of the majority of labour members, and to a great extent voters, who they are supposed to represent.

The zeitgeist seems to be rolling your way in similarly situated circles over here... California politics might make more sense to you than it does to me. We'll see what the future brings. A non-trivial point is that the establishment figures for the Democrats are all (much) older than me, and I'm old. I never underestimate your conservative party's ability to screw up a one man parade, just like our GOP. You're fortunate in your opposition right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...47dd2df3829_story.html?utm_term=.1f14a3c95739

 

[Tubey]

He is what? A threat to our national interests? Bigger threat than warmongering? Than attacking disabled, poor and children? Just what exactly are you using as a comparison?

Yes. I see politics beyond the black and white of it. Just because Corbyn wants to help the poor doesn't mean his methods if given power would help them. Indeed, my firm belief is that he'd badly harm them long term.

As for warmongering? Nobody is doing anything of the sort here. 'Standing firm' isn't warmongering, and it's a damn sight better an option than appeasement a la Neville Chamberlain.

Not really. Its the exact same thing. Kinnock/Prescott/Blair purged Militant. Now Militant, or whatever Corbyn followers gather under, (Progress?), want to do the same. I find it an unattractive characteristic.

Momentum.

 

[Jib in lad]

Amazing that three people have liked this, because you are incorrect. Those stats are the overall numbers.

Anything to grasp at straws on Corbyn, regardless of facts or logic it seems.

No mate you are wrong I watched the reporter on sky actually say it obviously it doesn't fit with the narrative so its been buried in overall numbers but when broken down in the 18 to 35 year olds Corbyn is at 51%

 

[Tubey]

No mate you are wrong I watched the reporter on sky actually say it obviously it doesn't fit with the narrative so its been buried in overall numbers but when broken down in the 18 to 35 year olds Corbyn is at 51%

Yes, but again, the figures in that tweet right there are overall numbers. All age groups. Meaning all possible voters.

 

[tsubaki]

Not really. Its the exact same thing. Kinnock/Prescott/Blair purged Militant. Now Militant, or whatever Corbyn followers gather under, (Progress?), want to do the same. I find it an unattractive characteristic.

That is what we are repeatedly told, but it is very arguable as to whether it is actually true - for a start, there were all the shenanigans around the 2016 leadership election when the party machine tried to disenfranchise quite a bit of Corbyn's support in a shameful way. Then you have the fact that the only group openly trying to deselect a Labour MP at the last election was associated with Mandelson (and indeed Progress-related groups had tried it on several occasions since 2007).

 

[Jib in lad]

Yes, but again, the figures in that tweet right there are overall numbers. All age groups. Meaning all possible voters.

Its still a meaningless poll .

 

[tsubaki]

As for warmongering? Nobody is doing anything of the sort here. 'Standing firm' isn't warmongering, and it's a damn sight better an option than appeasement a la Neville Chamberlain.

Tubey, what May is doing is exactly what Chamberlain did - fail to effectively tackle someone, let them get away with repeated instances of bad behaviour, fail to prepare for the worst, make appeals to unity and try to label anyone who disagrees with you as a traitor. Even the support of the Daily Mail is something they both share in common.

 

[roydo]

Reclaiming their own party? If you put forward policies and the majority of members agree and approve isn't that democratic?

Well thats the point I meant. Kinnock felt he was reclaiming his party from Militant, Corbyn wants to reclaim his party from Blairism.

Ergo, the same.

When if they actually looked at, or asked, those who vote Left, Soft Left, Right Left MPs in, I would guess the answers would be varied. A political party that appeals to a varied voter base just might be a successful one. But no, some want to purge those who dont agree with them. Dont get it.