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BigMick
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Link to the Lancs game
Lancs playing the extra spinner in Hartley, replacing Richard Gleeson.
Lancs playing the extra spinner in Hartley, replacing Richard Gleeson.
Mark Wood is a handsome man
The cricket analysis and features make all the footy boys looked like roided up amateurs.
Chris O'Connor
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Tbh I don't think Pakistan are too far short of a very good score in these conditions but that's very different from thinking they have a realistic chance of winning, they don't. If they make 250 and bowl well it's conceivable they could get a big lead again, but they've batted first and in a likely severely truncated game, that alone is enough to forget about winning. They're not likely to get the nearly four days play needed given we've already missed the equivalent of a day.
There are only two possible results now even if England are a distance behind on first innings, Pakistan would have to bat for a short period and bad light is likely to mean most of the last three days are lost.
The forecast says it's conceivable today could be not so much washed out as bad light-ed out with an increasing possiblity of rain as we approach lunch. To think they'll get any more than another one and a half days is pretty optimistic.
England could make just over 300 and bowl Pakistan out for 120 with a rush to make the 20 to 40 in a few overs available can be the only way I can see a result and that's very unlikely. Batting first makes it even more dependable on having much more play.
Makes it more frustrating when we're all in the back garden with the sun shining and not a cloud in the sky, (and ironically playing garden cricket too)
Comment from one overseas contributor on Cricinfo
"if you want a break from test cricket then come to a tour of England where all you do is sit in your dressing room most of the time due to rain or bad light"
There are only two possible results now even if England are a distance behind on first innings, Pakistan would have to bat for a short period and bad light is likely to mean most of the last three days are lost.
The forecast says it's conceivable today could be not so much washed out as bad light-ed out with an increasing possiblity of rain as we approach lunch. To think they'll get any more than another one and a half days is pretty optimistic.
England could make just over 300 and bowl Pakistan out for 120 with a rush to make the 20 to 40 in a few overs available can be the only way I can see a result and that's very unlikely. Batting first makes it even more dependable on having much more play.
Makes it more frustrating when we're all in the back garden with the sun shining and not a cloud in the sky, (and ironically playing garden cricket too)
Comment from one overseas contributor on Cricinfo
"if you want a break from test cricket then come to a tour of England where all you do is sit in your dressing room most of the time due to rain or bad light"
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Raining, and the forecast is crap.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
The England players are heading back to the on-site hotel, it's barely raining last I read but the light is worse than yesterday. No rain is forecast until later but it doesn't need any rain at all now we have our light meter reading to fall back on.
The umpire's may be following ICC guidelines as to readings but I thought they were given some leeway at least to make a judgement. Whoever's fault it is and I suspect Kettleborough and Gough have made a poor error of judgement on the first day, it's made a rod for their own backs which has ruined the test even if it didn't rain at all for days on end.
The umpire's may be following ICC guidelines as to readings but I thought they were given some leeway at least to make a judgement. Whoever's fault it is and I suspect Kettleborough and Gough have made a poor error of judgement on the first day, it's made a rod for their own backs which has ruined the test even if it didn't rain at all for days on end.
BigMick
Player Valuation: £20m
Notts 73-0 off 18 overs. Some rubbish served up by the Lancy bowlers, other than Bailey who was excellent and could have dismissed Hameed a couple of times. Odd good ball from Wood, Hurt was woeful, looking like a 2nd xi rookie. Slater 50 off 66 balls. Liked him when he was at Derby so good to see him doing well.
BigMick
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107 -1 at lunch. Hameed lbw b Balderson 22, Slater 58no, Duckett 20no.
Some strange captaincy from Vilas, putting them in on a seemingly good pitch - I presume they think it will turn later, hence both sides playing an extra spinner - and only giving Bailey one (excellent) spell. Good to see Hurt come back and bowl better, including a couple of dangerous bouncers, one of which Duckett top edged.
Some strange captaincy from Vilas, putting them in on a seemingly good pitch - I presume they think it will turn later, hence both sides playing an extra spinner - and only giving Bailey one (excellent) spell. Good to see Hurt come back and bowl better, including a couple of dangerous bouncers, one of which Duckett top edged.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Spectacular rant by an extremely annoyed George Dobell at Southampton for Cricinfo, shares the views on here, even if not so much those on TMS, and expands it further - we can't let rules that were formulated multiple decades ago, before floodlights, the advent of full protective gear and modern alternative entertainment be a constant unchangeable totem.
As George says..
Let's put all this in context. In the short term, this Test series is being played during a pandemic. Both sides have made huge sacrifices to take part. Already, some of the established features of the game - such as using saliva to shine the ball - have been abandoned for safety reasons. At a time when schools and offices are shut, the ECB has created something close to a bio-secure bubble at vast expense. Both teams have been prepared to spend weeks in lockdown in, at times, modest hotels. All to ensure this series takes place and English cricket avoids financial meltdown.
Meanwhile, in the longer term, the ECB has warned its stakeholders that the next broadcast deal could be worth 50% of the value of the current one. As a result, it remains imperative to provide an attractive product that can be staged with some of predictability. Several hours of men squinting at clouds might not be exactly what the broadcasters are after.
The point is, everyone involved has been forced to adapt to ensure this series is played. Yet at no stage do the umpires appear prepared to consider this context. They have been given too much power - even if it was in response to players previously being "offered" the light and using it arbitrarily according to the match situation.
And now George is really just getting started.....he's fuming about the unchangeable 40 mins lunch break after a very delayed start and while the weather was fine too...
How bad was the light on day two in Southampton? Well, it wasn't perfect. Clouds hung around the Ageas Bowl all day and the floodlights were on at all times.
But, two balls before the players came off, Mohammad Rizwan had driven Stuart Broad through the covers. A couple of balls before that, he had skipped down the pitch and driven him over mid-off. He later said he had been "ready to play". So it wasn't the batting side that wanted to come off.
James Anderson, meanwhile, suggested the fielding side hadn't wanted to come off, either. "We're a little bit frustrated we didn't get a chance to finish them off," he said. "It didn't seem like the batmen were struggling too much."
So, it wasn't the batsmen who wanted to come off. And it wasn't the bowlers, either.
It may also be revealing to reflect on the start of the day. With poor weather preventing play before 12.30pm and a poor forecast suggesting an early finish, it might have made sense to play as much cricket as possible once the resumption happened. A two-hour session, at least, seemed feasible.
Instead, after one hour of cricket, we had a 40-minute lunch break at 1.30pm.
Why? Well, that's the way it's always been. Nobody involved seems to have the gumption to do things differently and nobody involved seems to have a huge amount of respect for the paying customer. On the issue of bad light, in particular, the game still relies on hand-me-down thinking - much of it inculcated before batsmen wore helmets - that is starting to look absurdly archaic.
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As George says..
Let's put all this in context. In the short term, this Test series is being played during a pandemic. Both sides have made huge sacrifices to take part. Already, some of the established features of the game - such as using saliva to shine the ball - have been abandoned for safety reasons. At a time when schools and offices are shut, the ECB has created something close to a bio-secure bubble at vast expense. Both teams have been prepared to spend weeks in lockdown in, at times, modest hotels. All to ensure this series takes place and English cricket avoids financial meltdown.
Meanwhile, in the longer term, the ECB has warned its stakeholders that the next broadcast deal could be worth 50% of the value of the current one. As a result, it remains imperative to provide an attractive product that can be staged with some of predictability. Several hours of men squinting at clouds might not be exactly what the broadcasters are after.
The point is, everyone involved has been forced to adapt to ensure this series is played. Yet at no stage do the umpires appear prepared to consider this context. They have been given too much power - even if it was in response to players previously being "offered" the light and using it arbitrarily according to the match situation.
And now George is really just getting started.....he's fuming about the unchangeable 40 mins lunch break after a very delayed start and while the weather was fine too...
How bad was the light on day two in Southampton? Well, it wasn't perfect. Clouds hung around the Ageas Bowl all day and the floodlights were on at all times.
But, two balls before the players came off, Mohammad Rizwan had driven Stuart Broad through the covers. A couple of balls before that, he had skipped down the pitch and driven him over mid-off. He later said he had been "ready to play". So it wasn't the batting side that wanted to come off.
James Anderson, meanwhile, suggested the fielding side hadn't wanted to come off, either. "We're a little bit frustrated we didn't get a chance to finish them off," he said. "It didn't seem like the batmen were struggling too much."
So, it wasn't the batsmen who wanted to come off. And it wasn't the bowlers, either.
It may also be revealing to reflect on the start of the day. With poor weather preventing play before 12.30pm and a poor forecast suggesting an early finish, it might have made sense to play as much cricket as possible once the resumption happened. A two-hour session, at least, seemed feasible.
Instead, after one hour of cricket, we had a 40-minute lunch break at 1.30pm.
Why? Well, that's the way it's always been. Nobody involved seems to have the gumption to do things differently and nobody involved seems to have a huge amount of respect for the paying customer. On the issue of bad light, in particular, the game still relies on hand-me-down thinking - much of it inculcated before batsmen wore helmets - that is starting to look absurdly archaic.
England v Pakistan stoppages: Cricket still in the dark ages over issue of bad light
The ICC cites the issue of safety without appreciating that the world has changed
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Eviscerating that piece.Spectacular rant by an extremely annoyed George Dobell at Southampton for Cricinfo, shares the views on here, even if not so much those on TMS, and expands it further - we can't let rules that were formulated multiple decades ago, before floodlights, the advent of full protective gear and modern alternative entertainment be a constant unchangeable totem.
As George says..
Let's put all this in context. In the short term, this Test series is being played during a pandemic. Both sides have made huge sacrifices to take part. Already, some of the established features of the game - such as using saliva to shine the ball - have been abandoned for safety reasons. At a time when schools and offices are shut, the ECB has created something close to a bio-secure bubble at vast expense. Both teams have been prepared to spend weeks in lockdown in, at times, modest hotels. All to ensure this series takes place and English cricket avoids financial meltdown.
Meanwhile, in the longer term, the ECB has warned its stakeholders that the next broadcast deal could be worth 50% of the value of the current one. As a result, it remains imperative to provide an attractive product that can be staged with some of predictability. Several hours of men squinting at clouds might not be exactly what the broadcasters are after.
The point is, everyone involved has been forced to adapt to ensure this series is played. Yet at no stage do the umpires appear prepared to consider this context. They have been given too much power - even if it was in response to players previously being "offered" the light and using it arbitrarily according to the match situation.
And now George is really just getting started.....he's fuming about the unchangeable 40 mins lunch break after a very delayed start and while the weather was fine too...
How bad was the light on day two in Southampton? Well, it wasn't perfect. Clouds hung around the Ageas Bowl all day and the floodlights were on at all times.
But, two balls before the players came off, Mohammad Rizwan had driven Stuart Broad through the covers. A couple of balls before that, he had skipped down the pitch and driven him over mid-off. He later said he had been "ready to play". So it wasn't the batting side that wanted to come off.
James Anderson, meanwhile, suggested the fielding side hadn't wanted to come off, either. "We're a little bit frustrated we didn't get a chance to finish them off," he said. "It didn't seem like the batmen were struggling too much."
So, it wasn't the batsmen who wanted to come off. And it wasn't the bowlers, either.
It may also be revealing to reflect on the start of the day. With poor weather preventing play before 12.30pm and a poor forecast suggesting an early finish, it might have made sense to play as much cricket as possible once the resumption happened. A two-hour session, at least, seemed feasible.
Instead, after one hour of cricket, we had a 40-minute lunch break at 1.30pm.
Why? Well, that's the way it's always been. Nobody involved seems to have the gumption to do things differently and nobody involved seems to have a huge amount of respect for the paying customer. On the issue of bad light, in particular, the game still relies on hand-me-down thinking - much of it inculcated before batsmen wore helmets - that is starting to look absurdly archaic.
England v Pakistan stoppages: Cricket still in the dark ages over issue of bad light
The ICC cites the issue of safety without appreciating that the world has changed
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Andy Zaltzman - Cricinfo scorer...
Not sure how to mark this delay on my scorecard. I think I'll go with: "Slight dampness, non-optimal light, overwhelming institutional lethargy, and a sport intent on gradual self-destruction."
Not sure how to mark this delay on my scorecard. I think I'll go with: "Slight dampness, non-optimal light, overwhelming institutional lethargy, and a sport intent on gradual self-destruction."
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Disappointing day so far for Lancashire : tea, Notts 218-1. Other news, M S Dhoni And Suresh Raina have retired.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Called off for the day as light rain falling and the pitch won't dry without wind or sun, the light is worse than yesterday too. I wouldn't bother restarting tomorrow or Monday tbh, just have an extended break before the next fiasco starts next week
I wonder whether with no crowd the skipper's can now shake on a draw with two days left? There will be no time made up either as they rather foolishly add it in to the end of the day when it will be cloudy or raining according to the forecast. Monday's forecast is very poor for most of the day.
Appoint umpire's with instructions to not take such a cautious view on the light or they might as well be shaking hands on a lot more drawn tests in the future in England.
I wonder whether with no crowd the skipper's can now shake on a draw with two days left? There will be no time made up either as they rather foolishly add it in to the end of the day when it will be cloudy or raining according to the forecast. Monday's forecast is very poor for most of the day.
Appoint umpire's with instructions to not take such a cautious view on the light or they might as well be shaking hands on a lot more drawn tests in the future in England.
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