Current Affairs Covid-19 Vaccine would you take it?

[Shevin Keedy]

Can you name some vaccines that have serious proven side effects?

I was vaccinated for yellow fever and now I plop with little warning.

 

[Yank]

Thing is the science part of this isn’t rushed. They aren’t skipping steps in the testing.

Vaccines aren’t new. There has already been work on vaccines for coronaviruses. This speeds it up a bit.

It is rushed in that it is a priority. The usual lag between trials is gone. No corporate decision about whether it will make enough money to move research forward, etc. All the usual red tape is gone.

Additionally, even though the vaccine is still in trials, companies are already mass producing it so that as soon as it is cleared by FDA/UK equivalent, it can be put on the market. Huge financial risk that would otherwise not happen. Honestly this last part is huge in speeding things up

While I agree, the process can be sped up and this is a gold mine for the company that gets it first.

Add that to leaders like Trump speaking for America, urging it. I don't trust him with the scientific method, or what he'd deem big government and red tape obstructing a vaccine. He has proven otherwise. If a 2nd wave hits, who knows what he'll do.

I'm by no means an anti vaccine guy. I have more than I could name probably as a kid, and have greatly benefitted.

But I'll say, I might wait and see on this corona one. It's a tough call, because I'm 30, healthy, no preexisting conditions. Not over weight, no diabetes. I'd probably do well. However, the problem is passing it on to those older, with health issues. Or even people my age with co-morbities that expose them.

It'll be a debate I have with myself. More because I don't wanna pass it on to someone else than myself. The more I write the more I realize I'd probably get it.

Life's a gamble.

 

[RAFUH]

And when it has unforseen side effects whats the excuse then?

Then we just shouldn’t bother at all with vaccines or modern medications in general.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Then we just shouldn’t bother at all with vaccines or modern medications in general.

Wish I had not bothered with the yellow fever.

 

[Toast]

When I was out in The Gulf I refused the Anthrax vaccine.

I would probably have a go on the Covid one though. I no longer think I'm invincible.

 

[Yank]

Then we just shouldn’t bother at all with vaccines or modern medications in general.

While I agree with your premise. And maybe I'm overwhelmed by the fear of Trump.

I only use the word fear because I don't know of a better word to articulate my feelings. I haven't gotten caught up his little gimmicks. I largely thought he'd just come and go. Even if it was unfortunately 8 years.

But after the last 4 months. I'll do my own proper research. Talk to those more educated on the situation than me before I make a decision.

But if a vaccine is developed quickly, in his first term. Before all reasonable projections, and he inevitably takes credit for it. Even if the science us behind it and caught up quick, because that's what we do as people.

I'm gonna take my time and do my research. With doctors not website and antivaxers.

I can't remember a time like this since 9/11. This combined with riots in the streets by me a couple weeks ago. I'm the first to admit I'm reeling. We been reeling for months in NY as a state. The city is so much crazier.

 

[Wizard]

While I agree with your premise. And maybe I'm overwhelmed by the fear of Trump.

I only use the word fear because I don't know of a better word to articulate my feelings. I haven't gotten caught up his little gimmicks. I largely thought he'd just come and go. Even if it was unfortunately 8 years.

But after the last 4 months. I'll do my own proper research. Talk to those more educated on the situation than me before I make a decision.

But if a vaccine is developed quickly, in his first term. Before all reasonable projections, and he inevitably takes credit for it. Even if the science us behind it and caught up quick, because that's what we do as people.

I'm gonna take my time and do my research. With doctors not website and antivaxers.

I can't remember a time like this since 9/11. This combined with riots in the streets by me a couple weeks ago. I'm the first to admit I'm reeling. We been reeling for months in NY as a state. The city is so much crazier.

I understand your point but it sounds like you're basing this on the US being the first to come up with a vaccine and Trump being the one to ok it. There are so many potential vaccines in the works that it could come from anywhere. I am completely with you on listening to doctors and experts (hopefully)when/if we get one. But that orange tool is not the gatekeeper over this, just as our blond tool isn't either.

 

[Yank]

I understand your point but it sounds like you're basing this on the US being the first to come up with a vaccine and Trump being the one to ok it. There are so many potential vaccines in the works that it could come from anywhere. I am completely with you on listening to doctors and experts (hopefully)when/if we get one. But that orange tool is not the gatekeeper over this, just as our blond tool isn't either.

Yea I'm trying to convey I'm being overtly centric on if a US company developed the vaccine, probably didn't do a good enough job on that.

It's sad as an American, and I don't mean that arrogantly. Just that I would be less trusting of the vaccine if devoloped in America. I'd much rather it be developed in the UK or Germany.

The UK with Boris considered. I don't live there, so I probably have a blind spot. This year has just been I can't even just live through Trump. The guy is saying things regarding Coviid that could cost lives.

And you have people saying it was all fear, they said it'd be worse. Over 100,000 peole died. If it was nothing why are these same people saying China ruined everything?

And I'm not a China supporter at all. I just don't understand how it works both ways. Chine created this pandemic but they flip out when you ask them to wear a mask. Sorry I'm rambling.

 

[Wizard]

Yea I'm trying to convey I'm being overtly centric on if a US company developed the vaccine, probably didn't do a good enough job on that.

It's sad as an American, and I don't mean that arrogantly. Just that I would be less trusting of the vaccine if devoloped in America. I'd much rather it be developed in the UK or Germany.

I get you completely and I wasn't trying to call you out. More trying to give you some hope. I have no trust in our government either but I am hopeful that some people that are actually proficient in their field can come up with a vaccine. And our respective idiots won't have any impact on it.

 

[Yank]

I get you completely and I wasn't trying to call you out. More trying to give you some hope. I have no trust in our government either but I am hopeful that some people that are actually proficient in their field can come up with a vaccine. And our respective idiots won't have any impact on it.

Didn't take it as a call out at all. That was just me feeling like I didn't make my point well

 

[McBain]

Then we just shouldn’t bother at all with vaccines or modern medications in general.

Bit extreme? People have the right to ask questions though, wouldn’t you say?

Especially when a vaccine apparently can take 10 - 15 years of testing. Especially when according to virologists its ‘mind boggling’ a jab might be ready this year.

I know nothing of medical science and would take the vaccine, but to suggest people don’t have a right to question it is draconian.

 

[Tubey]

Bit extreme? People have the right to ask questions though, wouldn’t you say?

Especially when a vaccine apparently can take 10 - 15 years of testing. Especially when according to virologists its ‘mind boggling’ a jab might be ready this year.

I know nothing of medical science and would take the vaccine, but to suggest people don’t have a right to question it is draconian.

It's not uncommon during unprecedented eras of emergency to see something that would usually take a long time go much quicker instead in terms of technology. See the development of armoured warfare during the two world wars, flight and so on. When Mustard Gas, Lewisite etc. became an issue, counter measures were found rapidly.

When this got serious, there was no doubt in my mind a vaccine would be made quicker than usual, simply because of the urgency and collaboration. It doesn't mean the quality of it will be lax - indeed, quite the opposite; the focus on it will be so extreme as to make the manufacturers desperate to get it right.

I have no doubts really that the vaccine will be safe. Very few aren't. The worst case scenario really is that it doesn't work.

 

[Tubey]

To add to the above, I will say like the speed has still took me by surprise! I expected 12 to 18 months rather than the usual 5+ years and for treatment options rather than a vaccine to be the more viable way out of this.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Not bothered by a vaccine. Unless they tell me I can’t go into a bar or sporting event, could care less

are you always so selfish?

 

[Barnfred 55]

Thing is the science part of this isn’t rushed. They aren’t skipping steps in the testing.

Vaccines aren’t new. There has already been work on vaccines for coronaviruses. This speeds it up a bit.

It is rushed in that it is a priority. The usual lag between trials is gone. No corporate decision about whether it will make enough money to move research forward, etc. All the usual red tape is gone.

Additionally, even though the vaccine is still in trials, companies are already mass producing it so that as soon as it is cleared by FDA/UK equivalent, it can be put on the market. Huge financial risk that would otherwise not happen. Honestly this last part is huge in speeding things up

I'm old and fat. I'd take 2 doses if I thought it helped