Could 5th get us into Champions League?

[toffeejack]

haha, can't see UEFA doing anything about it myself.

 

[Toffeelover]

No way, Simon you are just pipe dreaming.

 

[bainesontoast]

City have far too much power for them to be crippled by UEFA. They will find a loophole, their owners can afford the best lawyers in the world with their pocket money.

 

[Joey66]

Really can't see City not being allowed in the CL.

They may win the Champions league yet!

 

[Rook]

Something like that is never going to happen. FFF is bs anyway. Does absolutely nothing to address clubs like Barca and Real Madrid from being able to keep all the TV monies.

 

[SingBlue]

Man City's £400m training ground development is offset as "allowable expenses" (it doesn't cost anything like that - you could get a world class stadium for that). Put this against their extraordinarily valuable 8 (yes EIGHT) sponsorship deals with Abu Dhabi state-owned corporations, and they meet the requirements.

Plus as riddick says there's a get out clause - if the club is deemed commercially important to the competition. This is why the whole FFP is BS. More chance of us being blocked from gaining access. The sponsors want the biggest teams and that means those with the best players and therefore the biggest budgets.

Plus, I think in the unlikely event Man City were barred, they have enough money to tie UEFA up in legal action for decades.

 

[West]

What are the rules if an English team wins the ECC but finish top four who gets the extra place from the winners ?

 

[efcfanwirral]

I actually think our 75% wages to turnover could be more of a problem - isn't the threshold for FFP compliance lower? Maybe why heitinga thing happened, we are definitely not commercially important!

 

[Garrick]

What are the rules if an English team wins the ECC but finish top four who gets the extra place from the winners ?

From Wikipedia:

If the title holders qualify for the group stage

The champions of association 13 (Switzerland) are promoted from the third qualifying round to the group stage.
The champions of association 16 (Austria) are promoted from the second qualifying round to the third qualifying round.
The champions of associations 47 (Northern Ireland) and 48 (Wales) are promoted from the first qualifying round to the second qualifying round.

If the title holders qualify for the play-off round (non-champions)

The third-placed team of association 6 (France) and the runners-up of association 7 (Ukraine) are promoted from the third qualifying round to the play-off round.

Because of the restriction that no association can have more than four teams playing in the Champions League, if the title holders are from the top three associations (Spain, England, Germany) and finish outside the top four in their domestic league, the fourth-placed team of their association, which would have entered in the Champions League play-off round, will be moved from the Champions League to the Europa League. In this case, the allocation system for the Champions League will be changed in the same way as above.

If the title holders qualify for the third qualifying round (non-champions)

The third-placed team of association 6 (France) are promoted from the third qualifying round to the play-off round. If the title holders are the third-placed team of association 6, then the runners-up of association 7 (Ukraine) are promoted.

TL;DR doesn't matter, they won't give the spot to another English team.

 

[Yid4life]

Its academic anyway as we are coming 5th. I will have a 50p bet to the pub of my choice with anyone that fancies it.

 

[tsubaki]

TL;DR doesn't matter, they won't give the spot to another English team.

They will - the key part is "no association can have more than four teams playing in the Champions League" - if one of the top four (or more like two or three of the current top four) failed the FFP test then the places would drop down the league until you got the four spots filled.

Also I think the team with most to fear is the ****e - they have lost around £40 million each of the last couple of years, and given how much Rodgers has spent are certainly facing a similar loss this time around. Also, Yanks II also havent really invested anything in youth development, infrastructure or done any of the crazy things that City have done to try and disguise spending.

 

[Garrick]

They will - the key part is "no association can have more than four teams playing in the Champions League" - if one of the top four (or more like two or three of the current top four) failed the FFP test then the places would drop down the league until you got the four spots filled.

Also I think the team with most to fear is the ****e - they have lost around £40 million each of the last couple of years, and given how much Rodgers has spent are certainly facing a similar loss this time around. Also, Yanks II also havent really invested anything in youth development, infrastructure or done any of the crazy things that City have done to try and disguise spending.

I was answering a question about a different scenario, sorry. If an English club wins the Champions League, England does not get a 5th CL spot, it moves up clubs from lower-ranked leagues.

The financial fair play issue is something completely different, and I have to agree with the others here that said UEFA wouldn't dare pull the trigger on Man City. Too much money at stake.

 

[sbbefc]

And so it starts.

 

[TX Bill]

I expect the lawyers on all sides to be very very busy!

Then get us the lawyers who got FIFA to change the rules to let Liverpool back into the CL as "defending champion" years back when they wouldn't have otherwise qualified.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Its academic anyway as we are coming 5th. I will have a 50p bet to the pub of my choice with anyone that fancies it.

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