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[Tommy.]

Not very often I get to feel like the sensible one with a 19 MPG Mustang ?

 

[spectateur]

What's all this to do with COL?
More like a petrol head thread.

 

[PhilM]

What's all this to do with COL?
More like a petrol head thread.

The original discussion came about from fuel prices, and it went on to the false economy of supermarket petrol.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Take your car noncery to the Paul Walker tribute thread you Clarkson worshiping biffs x

 

[AndyC]

Honestly, if you really need a 4x4 (e.g. it's not about the aesthetics), I would go for the likes of a Land Cruiser or a Shogun over a Land Rover every day.

Like with the DPF you've mentioned above, they are notoriously unreliable and very costly to repair. A couple of friends have/had them, and I don't know why.

Every year, they moan about this needing repairing or this fault, with the cost often laughable. In work, we had a brand new Range Rover Discovery provided.

They got rid of it after the turbo went, then the suspensions and finally the boot broke - wouldn't close. So it doesn't surprise me that the DFP is a common issue.

When I was living in Sudan, by a country mile, the Toyota Landcruiser was the most popular 4x4.
Land Rovers were (a tad harshly) nicknamed Left Overs as if/when they broke down out in the desert areas, they were often abandoned.

The company I drive for now have lots of Land/Range Rover models on the fleet and we rarely suffer DPF issues - that said, these cars are driven daily and pretty hard upto and sometimes over 300+ miles a day, so the diesel particulates are blown through and rarely get chance to settle and build-up.

 

[AndyC]

I only have a land rover discovery sport - before that I was ragging around in a Corsa. I'm not rich/car precious lol

I just needed a car for rural roads and a boot big enough to fit a hound in. Its surprising how many 4x4 can't really fit a decent size dog in.

I couldnt afford the next engine up (petrol) at the time but do regret going diesel now. one DPF replacement would have almost covered the upgrade.

Totally get what you mean about repair costs - someone took my wing mirror off and it cost more to replace than my first car lol Fortunately dashcam meant the insurance claim was an easy one but even so.

I was thinking I'll go dacia duster 4x4 next? cheap but sound pretty reliable.

Then go for the very top of the range.
Dacia production quality can vary but, if you went for the top of the range, there's a very strong likelihood you'd get a decent vehicle.

They are reliable, just unspectacular but if you're not car precious and not really too bothered about gadgets and gizmos, they're a good workhorse 4x4.

Lots of people talk Dacia down because they think they're all built in Romania but, the Duster are (or were) nearly all built in India... and whilst it might be the Renault involvement, a decent sign of their capability/reliability is they're widely used by the French Police.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Just no!
Dacias are horrendous. Nothing says “I can’t afford a proper car” like a duster

There is no shame in buying a car you can actually afford. It's amazingly sad how many (particularly young) people get themselves into debt just to own the latest model of a german badged car. People who aren't even petrol heads but want to "look cool going to work" in their 22 plate 1 Series or A3.

 

[AndyC]

A old mate of mine, had a VIP chauffeur business and ran a few lease Range Rovers ( he used to ferry a lot of the footy players and their families around, from both teams on nights out )

As much as the Range Rovers, are the most beautiful car, both to drive and to be a passenger in, they weren`t without their problems.

There was always some form of electrical fault, to the point, that unless it stopped the cars going, he`d ignore them.

A really common one, was the fact, there was a massive design fault, in that, inside the wheel arches and covered by nothing but the interior wheel arch trim, was some serious wiring, that governed the likes of the suspension, the steering and the traction control etc.

Even in newish ones, water / damp would eventually find it`s way in and cause problems with the wiring.

He got gave up in the end and swapped them, for custom built Merc Vito`s, which he had no problems with.

Well noted, the biggest issues with Land/Range Rovers tend to be electrical.

If looking to buy a used L/RR, say 5 years old or older, unless you know a good auto electrician, I'd recommend getting it independently and thoroughly checked over before agreeing a purchase.

 

[Chewbacca]

Not very often I get to feel like the sensible one with a 19 MPG Mustang ?

Something wrong with your right foot?

 

[Thomasc]

Thought this was a cost of living thread.

Been swamped by the Jeremy Clarksons of GOT by all accounts.

 

[peteblue]

Thought this was a cost of living thread.

Been swamped by the Jeremy Clarksons of GOT by all accounts.

It is mate, thread has been hi-jacked …..

 

[Rita_Poon]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/liz-truss.115668/page-117#post-10050275

POW!

 

[hirons11]

Thought this was a cost of living thread.

Been swamped by the Jeremy Clarksons of GOT by all accounts.

Well with my Jaguar F-Pace having had to go into the garage for two minor faults at £250 and £200 a time it sort of is connected. That was at a local independent rather than main dealer who I hear are now charging £220/hour for labour.

And just for the record I have the 2l diesel engine and have had no problems with my DPF in just under four years.

 

[PhilM]

When I was living in Sudan, by a country mile, the Toyota Landcruiser was the most popular 4x4.
Land Rovers were (a tad harshly) nicknamed Left Overs as if/when they broke down out in the desert areas, they were often abandoned.

Landcruisers and Shoguns are common on farms, which says a lot. The former are also the choice for the boys at Hamworthy and Hereford.

Thought this was a cost of living thread.

Been swamped by the Jeremy Clarksons of GOT by all accounts.

It is. Often a sizeable part of a person's outlay can be the running of their vehicle. If it's commuting it's enough, but for those who use them for work it's massive.

@Eiffel 65 said it right when he mentioned how there's no shame in buying an affordable car, which is what a lot of this discussion is about - alongside fuel.

I have a colleague who pays £420+ p/m to lease a new Audi A4, which is before fuel. I pay less than that per month to own my car and fuel it.

It may be a little bit older and not as flash, but in a cost and living crisis people should be looking to move away from the materialistic nature of car purchasing.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Landcruisers and Shoguns are common on farms, which says a lot. The former are also the choice for the boys at Hamworthy and Hereford.


It is. Often a sizeable part of a person's outlay can be the running of their vehicle. If it's commuting it's enough, but for those who use them for work it's massive.

@Eiffel 65 said it right when he mentioned how there's no shame in buying an affordable car, which is what a lot of this discussion is about - alongside fuel.

I have a colleague who pays £420+ p/m to lease a new Audi A4, which is before fuel. I pay less than that per month to own my car and fuel it.

It may be a little bit older and not as flash, but in a cost and living crisis people should be looking to move away from the materialistic nature of car purchasing.

One of the best value things I ever did was an evening class in car servicing. It has saved me thousands and thousands over the years, not only in mechanic costs, but having the confidence to buy used cars in that sweet spot range of 6-8 years where the depreciation curves are shallowing out but servicing demands start to rise.

So when I see some 20 year old in a 3 year old used beemer paying £400/month just to drive (not own) it, I think to myself, I’ll pick that up in another 3 years when his lease finishes, and still sell it for not too much less than I payed for it when I’m ready to move on.